LOL @ bold ... btw you can disagree and I have no issues with you and your opinion. However, when someone calls you out on a Mo thread in an immature manner, then that sucker needs to get served. Plain and simple. 1 of those posters is a spoiled brat that doesn't watch any Jet games. I encourage you to disagree with him on a subject and see how he replies to you.
all bark all bark ... why dont we go back into that Mo thread and continue it there? Oh yeah cause you have me on ignore and continuously mention my name.
Hack catching up to Petty could mean either Petty's has not developed as he should or Hack is far surpassing his expected development time. Remember, that part of what made Hack attractive to the Jets was that he came out of a pro style offense and he was used to making various calls at the line, including calling the Oline's protection schemes, audibles at the line, and various other important pre-snap reads. This experience for Hack is incredibly valuable. Petty has never done any of these things in a real game (I'm not counting pre-season with vanilla defenses). Hack has to learn the offense and has to correct some mechanical problems, while Petty has to learn how to be a pro-QB, which is very different from being a college QB in a college system. Just because Petty has 2 years in this offense and has a greater knowledge of the offense, does not mean he could operate a pro-style offense better than Hack given his experience. The fact that Mac did not trade Petty suggests that the Jets have confidence in Petty and want to keep him around. Also, remember that Mac might be pressing the Jets coaches to play Hack over Petty to get Hack experience this year so he can start next year.
The red flag (for me) on Hack is the "mechanical" issues. Am I wrong or is that a tough thing to easily correct? You can teach a chimp to type with a few bananas. What was his completion rate in college? I mean Hack...not the chimp.
He had mechanical issues because his coach tried to make him a robot. They made him stop doing what made him feel comfortable behind center.
Probably not easy but its great he has that mental aspect. He has talent and the brains....geno had talent but no brains and 3 years couldn't change that.
His completion rate went from around 59% his first year to about 53% his last year (http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/christian-hackenberg-1.html). However after his freshman year, Penn's football problem was sanctioned (for one of the coaches being a paedophile and other coaches hiding it or covering it up) - http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/penn-state-sanctions. Penn's scandal resulted in significant sanctions being levied against Penn State's football program and permitted all the players to transfer to other schools. Pretty much all the talent he had around him his freshman year left. Consequently, he had both receivers and offensive linemen that were truly terrible and had him running for his life most of the time after his freshman year. While Hack could have left (and he was very much wanted by other schools after his stellar freshman year), he chose to stay. Also, his coach went on to the NFL (to be head coach of the Texans) after the sanctions were put in place and Penn hired an idiot to replace him (probably because they couldn't get a half decent coach given the sanctions the program was being hit with). The idiot new coach demanded that he change his mechanics and screwed up his mechanics. The key questions surrounding the kid were (i) what was the cause of his inaccuracy (poor supporting cast, poor mechanics or just general inaccuracy), (ii) if it's mechanics that caused the inaccuracy could his mechanics be fixed and (iii) did constantly running for his life in his last 2 years at Penn ruin him so that he would have difficulty staying in the pocket and trusting his offensive line (or would he get "happy feet"). Consequently, a player who after his freshman year everyone believed would likely be a top pick in the NFL draft dropped into the 2nd round to be picked by the Jets. It was rumored that the Texans (or the Patriots) would have drafted him in the third round. A lot of people thought he was significantly overdrafted because of his poor accuracy (including his poor completion rate) in his last 2 years at Penn did not merit being picked in the 2nd round. There was a huge range of analysis from different scouts - with some saying he could easily be turned around and be a franchise QB by fixing his mechanics and others saying that his accuracy's not good enough and he'll never have the accuracy to be a good NFL QB and shouldn't be drafted at all. At the NFL combine, his accuracy was absolutely dreadful, yet a couple of months later at his pro-day (which was only seen by a few teams, including the Jets) he appeared very accurate. He worked extensively on fixing his mechanics after the combine. Clearly, the Jets are betting that they'll be able to fix his mechanics then he could be a franchise QB. I hope they're right, but its hard to say one way or the other yet.
or the fact the jets knew geno and fitz were not going to be here after 2016 and didn't want to start the offseason with only hack on the roster. it's very likely we draft or sign a QB in the offseason. no way we go into 2017 with only 2 Qbs
I won't kid you...it's definitely a red flag, and isn't easy to fix. Supposedly, Hack's fundamentals were much better his freshman year, but his completion percentage was still only 58.9%. His completion percentage his sophomore season was 55.8% and 53.5% his junior season. Based on the failure rate of QBs in the NFL, I'd say that some are never able to fix their issues, but those issues may be more mental than physical.
He ran basically that patriots offense....knew the intricacies and such that he was a very exciting prospect. Then losing BOB to the pros was a big loss. He basically went to a dummed down system while being behind one of the worse offensive lines in NCAA history. He became jittery, his footwork was a mess out of the gun...he needed to be rebuilt as a QB...he clearly has the smarts because as a PSU fan, I've seen him run a pro offense as a freshman....but he's starting from scratch basically.
I think a good model in terms of something for Hackenberg to aspire to be and model his game after is Carson Palmer. Palmer has struggled with his mechanics and accuracy. His completion percentage in college was sub 60% like Hackenberg and even in the pros he barely hits that mark. They are both big and strong and better in downfield passing attack than in the short passing game. Palmer has worked hard to improve his mechanics to make him what he is today and I hope Hackenberg can become like him. -- Amazingly, Hackenberg is still only 21 years old. He could sit the bench for 4 years and still only be Bryce Petty's age. I am personally intrigued by Hackenberg as a prospect and I really hope they can fix him. I like that the FO has had no illusions on the type of player he is, knowing that he was going to be a project when they drafted him. Lastly, I read a little while back from some analyst who looks at QBs differently than most and he judges based on 2 major things: age and throwing velocity. His thinking was that a QB isn't going to change much after age 24. At that point you know what you have. Also, he looks at throwing velocities at the combine and his cut off 55 mph. He said no QB has ever had long term success that didn't hit that 55 mph mark. In case you were wondering: Hackenberg satisfies both of his criteria, Petty misses the mark on both. When they were drafted: Hackenberg: 21 years, 56 mph at combine Petty: 24 years, 53 mph at combine will be interesting to see if one of them proves that analyst right or wrong either way here is a list of all the throwing velocities at the combine since 2008:http://blogs.ourlads.com/2016/03/02/quarterback-ball-velocity-at-nfl-combine-2008-2015/
Seriously, who cares about any of these QBs if they don't play? Why bother drafting them and then pigeon-hole them into obscurity. It's not like the Jets are fooling anybody into thinking they can contend so what will out illicit GM do next, fraft another 3rd or 4th rounder and let them sit while he pays some broken down loser 12 M to lose us more games than he wins?
It's hard to draw good conclusions from that data set, since so many of the more successful QBs (Bridgewater, Carr, Luck, Ryan, RG3, Osweiller, Tannehill, Bradford, Stafford) didn't throw. Given the ones that did though, and the fact that many of those QBs that did not throw are known for their big arms, that 55mph cutoff, save for Prescott this year (54mph), seems like a strong indicator of failure, i.e. little to no success sub-55mph. That says nothing about Hack's potential for success, but does not bode well for Petty's.
