Good post and I see where you're coming from. Just an fyi i wasnt pointing my initial post solely at you, but rather the global D rob hate club. D rob spent most of the offseason practicing at DE. It wasn't till Pouha went down that he was switched to NT. So truthfully he did not have the whole offseason. Although he will never be a great fit at the NT position, he has in fact improved w/ every passing week. Whenever he has been at DE this season, he has done a very good job at shooting the gaps and making plays. Which makes sense b/c 3-4 DE is much more comparable to his natural 3T Dt position than is 3-4 NT. I believe he can be very successful at that position....IMO he has already proved that this season, as last game against cleveland, and also against Tenn. he got time there and both times he made plays. W/ that said, if he were to fail at that spot...we simply have to cut our ties. His salary is way too high and he's already a risk w/ his knee condition. But mark my words...if we get a true NT who can stay on the field for more than 5 plays at a time..D rob will be very productive within the 3-4 DE position.
ah, i didn't know he was practicing DE in the Offseason. that's good to know, very encouraging. im really excited to see him stay at DE for longer stretches. and i know what you're saying about shooting the gaps. watching Seymour penetrate from that DE spot is like watching Van Gough paint. if D-Rob can do that effectively, I'll be ecstatic. to be honest, i didn't fully notice D-Rob at DE against Tenn, and barely noticed against Cleveland. however, i did notice the D perform better in the 2nd half and if D-Rob's switch to DE was one of the factors, then that's great. hopefully, he'll keep it up and we won't be so hard-pressed to find a DE in the upcoming Offseason. cheers
You proved me wrong in what way? By mentioning 1 good game in 2005? Yippie!! Maybe next you'll tell me the Lions game this year where he was good, but won't mention the other 7 in which he has been bad. Miller has been in the league a year and a half, and has had a grand total of maybe 11 starts? Where DRob has been starting since day 1, and has far from "dominated" like he was touted out to be, even in his good year, 2004, he didn't dominate. He just switched to NT, a move probably 85% of Jets fans hated. He plays soft as hell, and we all knew he couldn't make the switch to NT, and it has showed clearly. You bash Rashad Moore to an extent, but while he's been in at NT, he's been so much more effective than DRob since Moore can actually occupy 2 blockers and not get singled up and pushed off the ball so easily. Hopefully now at RE he'll be able to contribute a lot better.
Dont worry about him, i sometimes wonder if he is related to D-rob, he always defends him. D-rob could orchestrate a mass genocide and you know who will still stick up for him.
yes, a defensive player of the week award obviously means you had a good game. gotcha oh, how sad. this is millers 2nd year now and the guy still has no clue how to cover or how to tackle for that matter. heck, the flag machine doesnt even know the rules. he started only 11 games? dont you get the hint? he SUCKS, thats why he started only 11 games. he cant even beat out a late round rookie CB for the starting job and you're talking about developement? he needs more time? sure, lets give him another 10 years. i mean he's a great kick returner afterall.. yeah we'll see how much more effective moore will be against the patriots. whats the record for the most rushing yds in a game? 295yds by jamal lewis i believe
Ok you want to call it a great game? Then go ahead, that is still only 1 GAME you mention in the entire 2005 season, you kill your argument. So with that logic, Quentin Jammer was once one of the worst CBs in the NFL since he couldn't cover, now he's Top 10...Antonio Cromartie hasn't started yet, does he suck? Kelly Jennings suck? Marlin Jackson suck since he can't beat out Jason David? Stanford Routt? Ricardo Colclough? Keiwan Ratliff? Ron Bartell? Kelvin Hayden? All of those names were picked in the 2nd round or earlier, and have only started a handfull of games, now do they all suck for being in the league almost 2 years(Some almost3) and not being a starter? I'm not defending Miller's play at all the 1st half of this year, he was benched for a reason. But i'm not blind to the fact that he played bad, the complete opposite of you with Robertson. Miller did infact BEAT OUT David Barrett and Drew Coleman in camp to win the job, he was then benched, and has now reclaimed his job back. Give Miller 10 more years? I was thinkin more along the lines of 16 more years.:breakdance: Keep giving excuses for Robertson. Look, I defend Miller...But i'm not going to sit here and say he's played fine or mention anything like that, he has played below average, only starting 11 games. While the #4 overall pick in the 2003 draft, who the Jets had to give up much much for, has had 1 good season in 4 years. This man is trying to compare the #4 overall pick to a late 2nd rounder, gimmie a break. "Baby Sapp." More like "Baby Hovan."
oh, so you want him to win the defensive player of the week award 16 times out of 16 games? sure, i mean look at how much we gave up for him. thats the least thing he could do for us. seriously though, he had some pretty good games in 05. i mentioned the bucs game because he just flat out dominated against them. that doesnt mean it was his only good game, it was his only game where he dominated. yeah. i also remember the MNF game against the falcons. another good/great game by him. oh btw he also missed 3 games because of an injury...he also had a broken wrist i believe. he played through that pain, but why give him credit for that. a DT with a broken wrist (have you seen the boxing glove he was wearing all the time?), thats like a QB with only 1 eye. they're rookies. plus they dont have to fight off late round rookie cb's like drew coleman. they have great cornerbacks in front of them. they all pretty much stink, you got it. ratliff has fallen behind rookie cb joseph, ron bartell is just garbage and so is hayden. colclough has been a disappointment but he has two solid starting cb's in front of him and cromartie is still a rookie, the guy hasnt even played football in 05 and again, he's got two very solid starting cb's in front of him. miller hasnt done shit: "The cornerback situation remains unsettled as Justin Miller started against Cleveland after Drew Coleman had started three games in his place. Coach Eric Mangini has indicated over and over that starting spots will be based both on practice performance and the particular game plan against that week's opponent." (USA Today 11/10) below average? he sucked as a cornerback. plain and simple. he has no clue how to play the ball, or how to cover, or how to tackle etc. he's in his 2nd year and he still looks like he just came out of college
He is not a good player at the nose. The Jet's run defense has been absolutely invisible in the middle of the field in about 90% of their snaps this season. So if you think D-Rob is okay, then who stinks? Vilma? Because believe me the run defense has absolutely stunk this year and it's been rotten from the inside out. The truth is that D-Rob has been absolutely unable to hold down the nose in the defense and everything else has crumbled from that point. When Rashad Moore has been in the game the run D has actually looked sort of passable. With D-Rob it's been terrible.
Oh you mean the Falcon game where Warrick Dunn busted open for over 150 yards on 23? carries? Including the 65 yard run where DRob was not in his gap? Oh okay, my bad. You have given so so many excuses for DRob, and now mention these other ones, they just keep piling up. When will the "well he still has a bad knee" excuse come up with you? Their was nothing to fight off bro, Miller was pretty bad, though I do give him credit against Reggie Wayne, that ticky tack PI call, but hey it happens. Miller was benched due to his play, not because Coleman was lighting it up or whatever, now Miller has reclaimed his job. http://www.nj.com/jets/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1162359990294260.xml&coll=1&thispage=2 So because this is only Bartell's and Hayden's 2nd year they should of been a starter by now right? Rams and Colts fans should just give up on them despite them being young right? Since when is Drayton Florence solid? And Quentin Jammer is solid yes, but the first few years of his career as a Top pick, he was labeled a bust and a CB who can't cover, look at him now. He sucks he sucks he sucks, you're like a broken record man. I have numerously acknowledged that Miller has not played well, his cover skills aren't good, I GET THAT, their was a reason why he was benched man. That doesn't take away the fact that he's only started 11 games, only 22. Yet with DRob, you just REFUSE to say anything bad about him. He's soft, gives up on plays, gets pushed back, and again...This is his 4th year in the league, starting since his rookie season after being picked #4 overall, and he hasn't lived up to that pick at all. But of course you think he's justified the tradeup and selection right? Why is it I can see Miller's problems, and see that clearly...But you just turn the other way and give excuse after excuse after excuse for Robertson? Hmm:rofl: :rofl:
come on DaBallhawk. Validate your arguemnet. Just give a single criticism of DRob's game(with no disclaimer's). If you can't do that then you are clearly seeing things through rose-colored glasses. I hope he can be successful - but at this point in his young career he has reached the "I'll believe it when I see it" status. Even at his best in 2005 he came nowhere close to fulfilling expectations(based on talent, not draft position).
stop making shit up, thats not what happened. bad knee? he looks fine out there if you ask me. but since you're not watching any games...like i said, he looks fine out there. http://www.nj.com/jets/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1162359990294260.xml&coll=1&thispage=2 01/11? Need i say more? Why dont you just come up with an article from training camp? 1) Bartell and Hayden are busts, yes. 2) Drayton Florence IS solid. He had a great season in 04 i believe and had a downyear in 05 but he's back now. The Chargers have a great defense and he is a part of that defense. Cromartie hasnt played football in 05 but he's getting more and more plying time now and it looks like he's going to become a starter in a few weeks. 3) Jammer has always been a solid cornerback. The knock on him was he couldnt catch the damn football. He was great in coverage and good against the run. He sucked. Its not "he hasnt played well", its "he sucked". Because thats how you folks describe D-Robs game even though he made great plays in our 3-4 defense. im not refusing to say anything bad about him. he's soft? are you kidding me? he's out there ONY EVERY single down, of course he gets tired at times. no im not going to blame him, he's a big guy. big guys like that usually play on 1st and 2nd downs to stop the run. robertson is out there on every single play, he plays the run AND he rushes the passer. you dont see guys like hampton, jamal williams or wilfork out there on every down. they stay fresh and therefore they're more productive. and NO, robertson hasnt lived up to the warren sapp hype just yet. but why dont you show me one DT that lives up to those type of expectations? even pro bowlers like marcus stroud, henderson, jamal williams, kevin williams or hampton are not even close to what warren sapp has been. and like i said, they're pro bowlers. they've been drafted in the same range (top 5, top 8 ovr except for jamal and hampton). yeah, playing with one leg and one arm at times is really a stupid reason to come up with. you're cracking me up man.
he gets pushed back when opponents decide to run right at him, thats true. but why is that? some guys just dont care WHY. why is it even possible to put 3 guys on a nose tackle? usually you put your guard and a center on a nose tackle because you still have to double team the d-ends. but thats just not the case in our defense. our d-ends cant even handle a 1 on 1 matchups yet the fans are still blaming D-Rob. i just dont get it. besides that i havent seen robertson getting pushed back by a center 1 on 1. but thats how some of the guys in here make it look like. he made tons of plays or tackles right at or behind the line of scrimmage but i havent seen one of the haters in here pointing those plays out. he makes more plays than wilfork does. heck he even puts more pressure on the QB than wilfork does. the guy has von oelhoffen next to him, not seymour. he just switched to NT while wilfork is in his 3rd season i believe. i realize wilfork is the better run stopper of the two but thats mainly because robertson is still learning the NT position.
Sorry guys, but I find this argument ludicrous. Check out the draft that year on NFL.com. There are a lot of guys we could have had that are much better players at this level. I liked Suggs from the start (even despite his "issues"). (insert hindsight is 20/20 rebuttal from a DRob apologist here). Whatever. Robertson does not produce like a guy taken that high should. Period. Face it, he was one of many bad picks this organization has made. Next year, he won't be on the team, so it won't be an issue. As for Miller, he's a shitty CB. Yeah, he's young, big deal. He is an amazing kick returner, so we will get production from him, which is more than we can say for DROB. Personally, I would have kept Law, even despite his salary demands. He did lead the league in picks, ya know. I'm wondering if some of the Jet fans here are so used to mediocrity that they insist on it. You guys seem to bash good players, and defend shitty players to the death. Blast away, apologists.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You can't be serious. Maybe you should actually watch him getting his ass handed to him all day long today. (Edit: oh that's right, D-Rob is no longer playing the NT anymore because he just simply SUCKS at the position.)
You try so hard to be a smartass but you're not quite their, close though, keep trying. He looks fine where!? The Lions game he looked fine, pretty good actually...And every game this year, he'll probably make 2 plays a game, which is pathetic. He constantly gets pushed off the line, he flat out GAVE UP on the JP Losman TD to make it s 28-20 game week 2, he was there to make a play and just jogged. He doesn't command double teams buddy, the whole DLine has been bad, most notably Robertson, don't try and tell me that Robertson is not the reason at all that Mangini is switching the line(DRob-Moore-Ellis) Kimo and DRob have been bad, but it's a combination of both of them, but of course, DRob gets no blame. No man, he was almost run out of San Diego because of where he was selected and then, to me, since he got better players around him on the defense, he has definately improved(Castillo,Williams,Merriman,Foley(He was good when he was playing),Kiel,). Jammer was always picked on, and constantly burnt. I give Miller credit in the Colts game, and more so in the Lions game where he was consistently covering Roy Williams very good. On Williams' TD, that was on Dyson, and still Roy was limited to only 29 yards. I did say DRob has made some great plays, but 2 out of like 40 is just not going to cut it man, he'll show a flash and make a play here and there, great...But then just fade away like usual. You don't say a bad thing about Robertson man, I don't get it. Even JWWS, as big a Pennington fan he is, will dish out critisism on Chad when he plays bad, but you bro, jeeeeeez. Hampton, Williams and Wilfork play probably at least 85% of their teams snaps, and I don't see them giving up on plays or consistently get pushed back, and it's not like their is great depth behind those guys except Chris Hoke behind Hampton...Name me San Diego's and New England's backup NT? And when DRob does get spelled for Moore, YOU SEE A DIFFERENCE!! And don't act like you don't. Moore can take on 2 blockers and just clog in his spot holding 2 guys. I don't care if Robertson makes plays or not, the job of the NT is to occupy blockers, that's plural, blockers, not get pushed back by a center so easily. Now, Moore has looked good being a relief guy, and i'm happy he has a chance to start, so we'll see how it looks, at least he has the size being 324. Their it is! The knee excuse! Come on man tell me you just used the knee excuse after I called it!! Yes the Miller article was from the 1st, in case you didn't notice, the Jets didn't play last week. But you probably watched last seasons Bucs game and forgot about the BYE week, just praising DRob so so much. Yeah i'm sure. Keep trying to be the smartass man, allllllllmost there.:rofl:
Justin Miller regained his starting job, eh? Dude, even Bin Laden has more credibility than you do. Pathetic. :rofl2:
Actually your the one with no credibility, your starting crap with 2 posters who are well-esteemed. Your just throwing around your crap. Cedibility? If you had any you lost it when you said D-rob is better than Wilfork.
