lets take a look at some of the good starting QBs over the past few years Drew Brees - 2nd round Rivers - 1st Brady -6th palmer 1st ryan 1st eli - 1st cousins - 4th wilson - 3rd carr -2nd ben 1st newton 1st rodgere 1st (late 1st 24th overall) fitz - 7th dalton - 2nd foles - 3rd hasslebeck - 6th romo - undrafted matt schaub - 3rd plenty of good Qbs found outside of round 1. actually if you look at all 32 starting Qbs in the NFL this season, only about half were 1st rounders.
btw I am going to quote you again here cause that was a really good interview! Thanks for providing that. I love his assessment on Paxton Lynch. The only thing that does worry me is the lack of reps in terms of practice and fixing his issues early. It seems the guy being interviewed and myself share that same thought. The more reps now, the more of a chance he could've been farther along. That worries me, I hope the lack of practice doesn't regress him more or lower ceiling.
Bingo! That point in particular (which was clearly demonstrated by Kollman as a matter of fact as opposed to being merely an expression of opinion) was just HUGE to me. When you add in his physical traits and abilities together with his high intelligence, football IQ, character and leadership qualities, I have a hard time imagining him not having a highly successful future ahead of him, particularly if you subscribe to the belief that the corrections to his mechanics/footwork will not be too difficult for him to overcome and are more a matter of practice, time and the proper coaching. My only concerns as to what might disrupt his trajectory toward becoming an elite QB 3 or more years from now is a major injury and/or a regime change.
Ii concur. HOPE is a Good Thing!! LOVE the fact.....JETS leadership is adding SPEED to this team. IN 2 drafts.....have 2 Qbs with potential. >> Awesome. Being a JETS fan......With each New Draft.....hope Springs eternal !! With Bowles and mac......I feel ExciteMent and Confidence. GO JETS!!!
When it comes to QB's...you take your shot when you can. I've seen nothing (so far) to show that Hack wasn't worth taking a flyer on. Ball smarts, big size & big arm. What's not to like?
Seeing Hack's face on the following drive after the INT is all I needed to see. Kid looked like he hadn't eaten in weeks.
I respect his opnion, but everyone but Hackenberg gets blamed in this interview for his failures at Penn State. If Hackenberg is/Was as good as Kollmen says, Hackenberg SHOULD have been good enough to transcend those issues. He didn't and in fact looked incompetent during various streches.
I would be shocked beyond words if a regime change happens. If it does, then my days being an active Jets fan will probably be over, because it will prove once and for all that Woody is a clueless doofus. Mac is a great GM and Bowles looks to be a great HC. Together they can give this franchise something it's never had over a long period of time...the combination of topnotch, competent, professional leadership and stability. Both are young and they could be here for the next 10-20 years. Their leaving is not even on my horizon of thought. Similarly, I'm not concerned about Hack failing to develop. I believe it's GOING TO HAPPEN, and not in any 3 or more years, either. The only thing that concerns me is injury or perhaps Fitz going down with a season-ending injury, Geno flopping or being traded, Petty not being ready, and then the Jets panic and rush Hack onto the field too soon. He needs some time to fix his mechanics. I think it can be done during the next offseason (2017), and that he will be competing in a big way for the starting spot next TC (2017). I truly hope that tomorrow night, the Jets don't play either Hack or Petty behind those lousy 3rd string OL. The 1st string OL can use some work. Let them play the 1st qtr, then let the 2nd string play the rest of the game. Maybe let Ijalana and Qvale play a half to 3/4 of the game to get them more experience. I don't want Petty or Hack's health risked behind those UPS truck drivers, ditch diggers and bag boys who are our 3rd string OL.
Mac's taking a page out of Ron Wolfs book. "Draft a QB every year till you find one" And if you find more than one you can trade him for more assets.
That program essentially collapsed after O'Brien left AND that HC and OC were incompetent. so was his OL. No QB can overcome a bad team around him and succeed.....anywhere. His first year with O'Brien he was projected as the #1 QB. Discounting the circumstances would be poor evaluating, and not having any vision towards how a person can or cannot develop and grow.
I quite frankly don't remember the last time I have been so pumped up to watch preseason game #4 of all things. What is there not to like, we have a great pair of young QBs trying to develop their crafts and God willing one of them become the future of our franchise. We have some electrifying rookie WRs fighting for a spot. We have speed and depth at the LB position. Will the real TE show up this week. Who can capture the #2 and 3 CB? So much to look for. We are for once far deeper than the 53 in many positions. Tough decisions will be made. I wish each and everyone of our young ones the best of the best. We are building the right chemistry and talent. The team flat out believes we can now win every game, that in itself is a hell of a good thing. But thinking and doing it is what this season will show us. Go Jets
No disrespect intended but that is just total nonsense. How does any quarterback transcend an utterly incompetent and QB indifferent coaching staff, a complete absence of offensive weapons and an offensive line that consistently failed to protect him even in the face of meager three man rushes? No QB can perform consistently or transcend the obstacles associated with sub-crappy level coaching and a worthless array of offensive players surrounding him when he has no time to throw due to defenders being constantly in his face, knocking him on his ass or lying on the ground on top of him as was perpetually the case with Hackenberg during his last two years at Penn.
It's college football... good quarterbacks will elevate their supporting casts. he looked incompetent during various streches of his career. I'm not asking him to perform at the level of or Brady. You can't absolve Hackenberg of any blame when he couldn't even sustain quality plays on drive by drive basis. Goff played behind a terrible OL at Cal yet he stilll played well against pressure and was pretty well in most areas. You can acknowledge a situation was poor, while admitting that a player under performed or some failure occurred on his part. Kolemann placed all of the blame on Hackenberg's supprtoing cast, coaches, and OL. But , maybe once, did he place the blame on Hackenberg. Yea he was ina bad situation, but that doesn't completely excuse a player of bad or underperforming play.
No, it's not nonsense. Good QBS in CFB will elevate the talent of their supporting cast. That's what MOST quality starters in the NFL do. His performance under pressure, poise, and accuracy were all terrible. All of that CANNOT be placed on the coaching staff and the supporting cast. Some blame must fall on the QB ,who the evaluator implies will be an elite QB down the road in his NFL career. I'm no Geno fan, but it's funny how we can give Hackenberg this treatment and absolve of him any bame, but perform a complete one eighty when it comes to Geno. Geno was placed in a similar siutation during the first two seasons of his NFL career, playing behind a poor OL, a bad staff, and throwing to Clyde Gates as his best WR.But all we agree that , he in part, had impacted the team negatively and failed to display the traits needed to be a quality starter. I'm not going to give Hackenberg different treatment. Everyone, with the exception of Hackenberg received blame during that interview. It was either the coaches fault, the OL"s fault, the WR's fault, but I can only count maybe once when some blame was placed on the QB. I'm not rooting against the guy... I want a quality QB just as much as anyone. But that interview was far from objective.
I started out hating the Hack pick and I'm not doing a 180 and loving it after his impressive drive in PS3, but I'm not swayed by the stereotypical precedent people are using to define his college career, either. Face it, he had a really strange college career in an even more strange situation. Who the hell would even commit to that school after what happened? He's likely a strange dude just because of that. He did look really impressive in that season with O'Brien, but he looked like absolute dogshit after that and he looked like a total asshole at the combine. I don't know how anyone could even form a real opinion about the guy at all. He's a total wild card. I'm throwing my chips into the douchebag failure area just because it doesn't make sense to guess otherwise, but I haven't seen definitive proof that I'm guessing anywhere correctly, just because it's the Jets.
One aspect of the drafting of Hackenberg that I absolutely valued, is that you can not name a single quarterback drafted during 2016's NFL draft who's as battle tested as that of Christian Hackenberg. You just can't. He's as battle tested both physically and mentally as they come. Which is a key/important trait to have in order to have a chance of succeeding as a QB within N.Y's market. During his final two seasons with PSU, he went from the Nation's #1 NCAA draft prospect after his Freshman year with O'Brien as head coach along with a true #1 WR in Allen Robinson to... A.) Being under Center for a Penn State University who lost multiple high-end recruits due to being punished & sanctioned by the NCAA for rule violations (weren't even eligible for bowl games). B.) Quarterbacking behind an awful O-Line (or lack thereof). Hackenberg rarely (if ever at all) had enough time to stand tall within the pocket while scanning the field for open receivers, which is why his completion percentage was lower; due to playing behind one of (if not) the worst NCAA Division-1 offensive lines over the past 20 years. C.) Last but not least PSU's talent (lack thereof) surrounding the QB position at skilled positions were as weak as they come due to losing multiple recruits & prospects. For example: Outside of Hackenberg, during both the 2015 & 2016 NFL drafts (combined) there were only two offensive players drafted out of PSU. Both in 2015 (Jesse James, TE, 5th round) & Donovan Smith, OT, 2nd round). It was bad. 14 rounds? Only two offensive players drafted (one being a 5th rounder)? No WR's drafted? No HB's drafted? Only 1 offensive lineman drafted throughout his final two seasons of play? Being drafted during only the 2nd round is a testament to his overall potential as a young 21 years of age QB prospect. Some of you Hackenberg critics have zero idea (whatsoever) of the types of obstacles consisting of less than ideal situations in which he had to overcome and persevere through, throughout his final two seasons of play. Don't sit here and point to "completion percentage" as a way of mocking his draft status due to "accuracy" without mentioning & taking into consideration regarding 'all of the above". It's extremely naive and clueless to do so. In closing, he's not a quitter either. Took pride as being the QB of PSU. Refused to quit on his players & program. Didn't look for an easy way out. Could've transferred to any college within the Nation after his Freshman year but instead made a decision to stick it out. He's as battle tested as any college QB coming out over the past two NFL drafts.
Kollman had no reason to make excuses for Hack.The video was made before The Combine too. Hack is not incompetent. The reason Hack was in the picture from the start in his freshman year is because of what he CAN do, and that is why we're talking about him now. The Pro Scouts, like Mac, along with people like Kolmann, saw Hack as the only competent person in the equation apparently. It was Hack surrounded by incompetence in truth. In a team sport it is impossible to overcome that. If Hack was incompetent he would not have graded out in the 2nd round by several teams Pro Scouts. Kollman said that Hack would fix his flaws relatively quickly. His Combine didn't show it tho. But the difference between Hack at The Combine and Hack's Pro Day were significant and obvious. Kollman was right after all about that. So Hack has already shown that he could get better. Mac thinks Gailey & Co. can coach him up and make him right. If that happens they will have actually had a much better idea of what Hack is as a prospect than the naysayers and their narrow view of him. We shall see.
