I agree with the sentiments concerning Mauldin. He looks undisciplined out there. He clearly is fast and extremely talented, but also wild and out of control. He needs to reign it in a bit and focus his ability. The run defense in general was definitely the most concerning thing to come out of the first string. Sent from my KIW-L24 using Tapatalk
Geno finished with better numbers, not to mention TD, but he was the worse of the 2, IMO. It's really the small things, here are 2 examples. Throw: ~ 15 yards on slant. Geno: put ball on the back shoulder of the WR. The receiver needs to slow down for a catch, immediately tackled for no YAR. Petty: Ball delivered in stride, WR gains ~ 8 YAR Throw: ~ 25 yards, post for TD on the side of the end zone Geno: Throws into WR's, safety swings, but misses batting the ball down; TD Petty: Throws ~ 2 ft over WR's head, where only the receiver could get it. WR didn't make the catch even though he had both hands on the ball. CB next to WR, but can do nothing but watch and try to push the receiver. To me these small things make difference. Imagine it was Marshall instead of whoever the 3rd string WR was... The first pass on Geno's throw he's still tackled; on Petty's -- a LONG run after reception. For 2nd throw Petty: 1st-string CB still can do nothing, but Marshall catches for TD. For Geno, the 1st string CB likely puts that ball on the ground for no catch. IMO, obviously EDIT: As of right now, I believe Petty is at least = Geno. If it stays that way, Geno should be cut for extra spot for WR (Ross). It's only first pre-season game and everyone is rusty, so things might change, of course.
Some replies to previous statements. - PR is punt return indeed. I'm excited as long as Marshall will quit trying to imitate DeSean Jackson going over the middle. - Now let's not rush to judgment saying Kenbrell should be the odd man out at WR. He wasn't just serviceable when healthy last year, he looked really good. Though I do appreciate the fact that these guys can make an impact on ST. I'm just stoked there appears to be competition at WR again, it's been so long since I've seen this. - Juston Burris looks like Kam Chancellor out there playing CB. It took me a sec to realize who that was (grainy stream). I thought that a safety was out of position a few times until I seen his name. There's no way that guy is 212 like he was at the combine, he looks 220+. Maybe this will be our secret weapon for the Pats when they roll out Gronk and Bennett on us... - I'm glad I'm not the only one logically evaluating Milliner. It's easy to lash out at the guy because he's been hurt and he just reminds us of Idzik. If he gets hurt again I'll be convinced like a lot of you that he won't be able to stay healthy. He looked like a guy that's barely played football in a 1.5 years and has come back from injuries. Yet, if he recovers (like he did) and makes that play on the ball batting it away from robinson we're having a completely different conversation. Robinson is the only guy on that team that could've made that play, and he did. Just barely. I think it says a lot to see that they put Dee on Robinson as much as they did. The remainder of preseason will tell the tale, I suspect he gets a lot of reps against #1's. Just my theory.
I think the team generally looked good. I'm not paying mind to the yardage allowed because the Jags came out running more complex plays and our defense was very vanilla. the good: Jalin Marshall - this kid is going to be a solid role player for us and he flashed the hype as a KR. It's nice to see him get hyped in camp then deliver on the field. Solid confidence boost for the kid. Enunwa - looking sharp, more explosive, more confident than last year. Sleeper alert. Darron Lee - all things considered looked pretty good. He looked a bit indecisive in spots but that's to be expected. Jordan Jenkins - This guy is going to be a steal for us, he made a variety of solid plays. Bryce Petty - arm looked good, made a few good throws. Amaro - While the stats don't reflect it he looked sharp in his cuts and got plenty of separation. Geno just couldn't quite figure it out and make the read. Penalties - The team was very disciplined. Charone Peake - Looked sharp, not over excited, great catch in the end zone. the bad: Geno - I'm sorry, but he's just awful. Still can't read a defense, still can't make decisions. Milliner - While I excuse this in part due to the first sentence of this post, he missed tackles and just got beat a variety of times. Tackling - We missed more tackles than I'd like to see, regardless of complexity of defense. In fact the less complex defense should have led to better tackling. We need to wrap up, way too many yards after contact allowed.
RuJ- the first throw you mention from Geno Smith was tipped on an athletic play by the linebacker. It was delivered in stride but the tip held it up just enough. It had enough mustard on it that it was still completed. Also the TD pass from Geno was a great pass anyway you look at it. Delivered right to the WR. I'm not sure how Geno completing the pass and Petty throwing it over the WR's head is an advantage for Petty? the first one I can understand if you didn't see the tip but the second one is just a head scratcher. -- Petty made some strides last night though. He delivered with confidence which he wasn't doing last year. His arm was really strong, just flicking the wrist for down the field passes. My only issue with him is that he seemed to not see pass rushers on a couple occasions and he should've had that TD pass to Amaro where he rolled out. He was in open space looking right AT a wide open Amaro but he hesitated and then threw a softball that allowed the defense to knock it down. Overall though Petty and Smith were both pretty good in my opinion
Let's see. He bounced multiple passes, made the wrong reads, and hesitated with the ball on numerous occasions. He was terrible. For a guy who 'should be a starter' he looked like dog shit.
I did not see the tip. To be fair, I think Geno did improve comparing to before. There was a moment by the end of his time on the field where he was flashed out of the pocket and 3 D were closing in. The old Geno would backpedal, but he tried to run to the side, realized that he was surrounded and slid. The end-zone passes are different. Geno's throw was in contention by D; Petty's was not -- it was thrown where only WR could catch it. I agree with bolded, they were both pretty good. Geno's problem however is that he looses a tie to Petty. So if they are equal, why keep Geno?
Jets 3rd Drive – started on the 14 yrd line - and as a result the Jets were more conservative than the opening drives. Smith replaced Fitz and the Jets also pulled Decker and Marshall. They also changed the OL - Qvale replaced Ijalana who moved to LT as Clady sat and Johnson replaced Mangold – Dozier stayed in but Craig Watts replaced Winters. Jets kept the ball on the ground for the first 2 plays and on 3rd and 3 Geno went to J Marshall as all the other receivers were covered – pass fell incomplete and would not have gone for a 1st even if JM had caught it. Punt was good and coverage was able to ensure it was not returned. Jets 4th Drive – started at the 20 yrd line as the punt went into the endzone. Geno threw a poor pass to a wide open J Marshall on a comeback – was short by a few yards. Next play he hit Peake with a good throw for 8 – Myles Jack should have been called for a late hit but was not. Peake was down and Jack lowered the head but the zebras picked up the flag and it was not called. Next play the throw seemed to be to Amaro but was actually to Ross who waited on the pass and the Jags CB broke on it breaking it up. Bailey held and gave the Jags great field position and the punt went just 29 yrds and in addition – Edwards reminded me of Quigley on this play. Jets 5th Drive – started on the Jags 18 yrd line after J MArshall's 84 yrd return Geno hit Peake on a crossing play where he was well tackled by Myles Jack. Geno was pressured on the next play and in the end tried to dump it off to Williams – when it fell incomplete some idiots began to boo as he was now 2/6. Smith then threw a back shoulder to Peake, who was reasonably well covered, who tip toed in the end zone for a TD. Jags kicked off to the corner to start the second half preventing Marshall trying a second return. They also appeared to swap out a lot of their D. Williams bounced one to start but took the hit to his head (Jags no 23. Sample was borderline as even the Jags commentators felt “some helmet to helmet” on the play as he stumbled having made a guy miss earlier. Clearly concussed he fell on his way off the pitch. Geno was sharp at this stage and hit his next three. Ross spun out a tackle to gain 10 extra on the first throw,J Marshall again got space for the second but the third pass was the best to Ross who was being covered by a LB - was tipped but the Ross went up well. A poor snap later in the drive forced Geno to eat the ball and they kicked a FG. Compare this to the 2 opening drives Jets opening drive – Ross returned it 51 from 4 yards deep hitting a nice crease and the drive started at the Jets 47 yard line. Fitz hit his first to B Marshall for a short 3 yrd gain and they got an easy 5 when the Jags encroached next play before Powell ran for 7 – in short yardage formation. Fitz was hurried as Winters was driven into the backfield by Malik Jackson - . OL are changing to zone blocking this year but the Jets drive ended as Clady gave up a sack but Fitz had no one open down the field and stalled at the 42 – punted to the 14. Jets second drive – the Jets 1’s went against the Jags 1’s. The drive started at the 25 yrd line. Opened with a short run and Enunwa missed a flying block on Fowler who wrapped up Powell for a short gain but he had a lane if he had managed the block. Next play Fitz hit Enunwa for 26 but not in stride as Enunwa had to extend as the throw was high and he was touched on the ground but had a huge amount of open field ahead of him if the throw was better. Next playthe Jets returned to the well and this time the pass to Enunwa was on the money and he was able to add yards after the catch from the 30 to the 4. Both times Enunwa the Jags tried to cover Enunwa with a LB. Ended the Qtr. Powell ran it in over the right side with Winters getting a great push on. Fitz was good in limited action but his 1st throw to Enunwa was worse than Geno's to Ross - and the Jags coverage on the crossing plays was terrible all night when the OL gave the QBs time and they called this - Petty hit Ross on it in the 3rd Qtr also. Geno's night started slowly but backed up and 1st game back in Metlife since last 2014 he was always likely to be nervous - add in the fact that the OL was settling in and it was not too bad at all. Started 2/6 finished 8/14 - that means he went 6/8 once including from the TD pass. Confidence is a wonderful thing. Petty was reasonable - made some nice throws early but missed a few too - Amaro came open as he scrambled late in the third but he held it too long and the pass was batted away as pointed out by 1 of the OPs.
Myles Jack could've gotten called for personal foul nearly every drive he was out there, lol. That kid needs to be taught this is the NFL they throw flags for breathing too hard on WRs and he's lowering the boom every chance he got haha
That's my position as well. I don't think Geno has "it", but he's cheap enough to keep... unless a 2nd year guy is as good or better. We have needs at other positions that could use his roster spot. I'd put Geno and Hack out there next week, see if we need to carry 4 QB'S. If Hack shows anything or enough to win the 3rd string job.
This preseason is basically Geno vs Petty. Unless Hackenburg gets "injured," he will be on the 53 man roster. If everything is equal, Geno will be the one who is released. I believe that much is fairly obvious. Makes more money, and the current regime traded up for Petty. The question is, will some preseason games be enough to convince the coaching staff that Petty can be every bit the backup Geno is. Last night, I thought Petty got the best of Geno, albeit not by some crazy amount. Training Camp, as well as the next 2 games, will be absolutely crucial.
Jalin Marshall - this kid is going to be a solid role player for us and he flashed the hype as a KR. It's nice to see him get hyped in camp then deliver on the field. Solid confidence boost for the kid. AGREED - also showed up well as a WR and could have had more if Geno had not 1 hopped his second pass attempt Enunwa - looking sharp, more explosive, more confident than last year. Sleeper alert. AGREED - his 1st catch was excellent considering Fitz sailed the pass a little Darron Lee - all things considered looked pretty good. He looked a bit indecisive in spots but that's to be expected. DISAGREE - he flashed but made multiple bad plays as well as some good. Jags 4th Drive Poor tackling by the Jets gave up a 9 yrd run – and Lee was owned on the play as he was taken out completely and was unable to get off the block. Lee switched off thinking Milliner was about to make the tackle when the Jets gave up the play to Washington Lee was in the backfield on the Jags 1st drive of the 2nd half and should have had the RB for a loss but failed to wrap up on 3rd and 2. Did OK but also made a lot of errors Jordan Jenkins - This guy is going to be a steal for us, he made a variety of solid plays. AGREED but also made a few minor mental errors - biggest was on the bubble screen on the Jags 2nd drive near the endzone - looked lost and did not recognise the screen which got them to the1 yrd line. Held up well and made a lot of good plays Bryce Petty - arm looked good, made a few good throws. AGREED - but still missed others and needs more time Amaro - While the stats don't reflect it he looked sharp in his cuts and got plenty of separation. Geno just couldn't quite figure it out and make the read. DISAGREE - the 2 times I saw him break it was when Petty was on the field, 3rd Qtr Petty was late when he was open in the end zone and overthrew in the 4th when he got a step on the CB. Penalties - The team was very disciplined. AGREED - Bailey's hold on a punt was bad and together with other bad plays, see my comments on Milliner below may cost him a spot. Charone Peake - Looked sharp, not over excited, great catch in the end zone. AGREED - seemed like he was the one Geno trusted most, comes from working with the 2's the bad: Geno - I'm sorry, but he's just awful. Still can't read a defense, still can't make decisions. DISAGREE Milliner - While I excuse this in part due to the first sentence of this post, he missed tackles and just got beat a variety of times. DISAGREE Robinson made a play for 16 on a difficult catch when well covered by Milliner – back shoulder. Following play Milliner got burnt on a deep throw BUT Simon jumped off side and Bortles knew he had a free play – Bailey had snuck up close to the line taking away any deep help – was looking to cover the back. Milliner still competed with the receiver but Robinson made the catch – very acrobatically. For the missed tacle Heene threw a poor pass behind Washington and Milliner failed to wrap up – was also trying to get up and collided with Miles – who took a poor angle - who was coming to help – Darron Lee switched off thinking Milliner was about to make the tackle. Middleton came over and forced him out after a 36 yard gain. Jets D held well thereafter as the Jags had no one open in the endzone. Tackling - We missed more tackles than I'd like to see, regardless of complexity of defense. In fact the less complex defense should have led to better tackling. We need to wrap up, way too many yards after contact allowed. AGREED - see comments above re Lee and Milliner but others who missed tackles too. IN ADDITION the following players also did well for me Offence R Morris made some moves when he was in in the passing game - OL was not making too many holes in the run game Ross made a few nice plays and Anderson almost did which will make the WR battle fun to watch. Dozier was solid @ LG and did not give too much - Winters was destroyed on Fitz's 1st incompletion but blocked well after. Bostick made a nice play and looked OK when out there. Defence Shelby Harris flashed and got pressure on their QB twice flushing them and getting a team mate a sack / tackle (Lee on the first & Josh Martin on the second) Claude Pelon played well and did some nice things - Simon who got extended time at NT was passable but Jarvis Jenkins was picked on and the Jags ran at him early and often Burris had some nice plays but also got taken when unable to locate the ball (did not even look around) on a catch by Marquise Lee. Miles played well and although 1 or 2 small errors came back strong each time. Middleton looked like he belonged too and Bailey (#34 could be in trouble) - the other lower tier CBs were poor though
Geno's actually receiving unfair criticism from a few posters. No, Petty did not have a better outing when compared to Geno. It wasn't a tie either. Geno had a better performance. Unlike Petty (sacked twice), Geno wasn't sacked at all. Unlike Petty (0 TD's), Geno threw a TD on a clutch 3rd down on a beautiful back-shoulder strike where only his receiver (Peake) could make the play. Unlike Petty (71.4), Geno finish with a decent/respectable QB Rating of 97.0. Geno also finished with a slightly better completion percentage. I'm not knocking Petty, I thought the kid looked pretty good both mobile & strong armed but Geno's receiving unfair judgement. Both had small sample sizes only throwing the ball 14 times but Geno should be celebrated as a backup right now for not turning the ball over, not being sacked not even 1 time, delivering a TD throw on a clutch 3rd down, finishing with a QB Rating of 97.0 etc & also slid & hit the ground on an almost botched snap rather than trying to force a play while making a turnover. Geno, right after his TD ending the 1st half, also led us on a scoring drive the very next series starting off the 3rd Quarter with a drive in which resulted in a FG & 3 points.
Can we please talk about this post? Did you watch the game? One bad punt. The rest were solid. Quigley could never do that well.
I dont think Geno has to worry myself. The only way I will take seriously the idea that they could cut him and that they are looking at Petty for the no.2 spot is if during the Preseason they put Petty in after Fitzpatrick. They play Wash next week if Fitz gets the whole 1st quarter and then they yield to Petty, wow, then we can talk about the possibility of them cutting Geno Smith. Until then? idk I think they are rolling with 4 QBs no matter what. Does Petty even get practice time at Training Camp with the starters? How can we even view the primary backup spot as a possibility if he's always practicing with the 2s and 3s and playing against the 3s in the preseason
Milliner didn't get burned all day, and as you said the receiver just made a great play on the ball. He's definitely a solid cornerback in this league if he can stay healthy, which is obviously a bit if. I thoroughly disagree on Thompkins though. He had 17 catches for 165 yards last year (9.7 ypc). He's a serviceable 4/5 but at a position you're not exactly expecting worlds of production, I'd much rather go with potential and athleticism than keeping somebody whom we basically know is an average to below average player. He got cut in New England because of drops when there's contact and he proved that to be true here.
The geno vs petty talk is silly. It will come down to Petty playing measurably better than Geno AND Bowles/Chan trusting Bryce to be able to handle the backup role.
