No. Bryce Petty was, is now and will be a better NFL QB. LBs, OLine. Do not waste a draft pick on a guy who is not better than a guy we already have on the roster. _
Well, first of all, have you watched his game tape? Snap by snap? Or.. Highlight YouTube videos? I'm not in love with him, especially in the the first. Speed is not my main complaint, it is a factor, but not the biggest thing for me. My biggest issue with him is his struggles against press, issues at the line, it's going to be a much bigger struggle in the NFL. When you don't have speed to seperate, then you better be damn good at the LOS, I don't think he is. I do like a lot of things that he does, I just don't think he will be anywhere as good as a Hopkins or Jeffery. Both of those players I had high grades on, I lost my shit when we took Hill over Jeffery. Treadwell might be great, but he has to be better at the LOS if he is to be an impact player for any team. I'm skeptical. I think he could go in the second round to be honest. We will see.
I disagree big time mangolden. Memphis faded down the stretch but it wasn't really because of him. He was everything to that team. Without him they win like 3 games. (He struggled in the Auburn bowl game- Muschamp is a great D coach) People don't just like him because of his height. I watched him play quite a bit and my favorite thing about him is how he moves within the pocket. He's not a tuck and run type, he more of a move around and keep eyes downfield. That's how Roethlisberger plays. He was sacked very very little despite their shitty O Line. I think he will be a dangerous QB in the red zone his whole career. I also think he will be a good "bad weather QB" Obviously he needs to be properly groomed and is raw but he's worthy of being selected at number 20. I wouldn't do anything crazy like trade into the top ten for him but number 20 would be fine. I can say I watched him play quite a bit and he is impressive. That game against Ole Miss where his team was at a significant talent disadvantage, he was incredible Let me add just 1 more comment: I don't think he will be there @20 so this conversation might be moot. I have a strong feeling Buffalo will take him at 19 if he even makes it that far
Browning, you're my dude so I want you to see the light. I get why you're high on Lynch but you need to look deeper. Look beyond the arm, the height, beyond the Chester the molester mustache (chester-stache for short). Here's the ole miss game. I want you to track every throw. Track how many throws were 5 yards or less, 10 yards or less, and more than 10 yards. http://draftbreakdown.com/video/paxton-lynch-vs-ole-miss-2015-2/ Now here's the Auburn game. Track the same throws. See what happens when Auburn took away the screen game. http://draftbreakdown.com/video/paxton-lynch-vs-auburn-2015/
You are right they did have him throw alot of short passes. I honestly expected worse though in the Auburn game. In the Auburn game he threw a beautiful intermediate/deep pass across the middle, in stride, and the receiver dropped it. Then he threw a decent placement pass down the sideline later to the reciever and he didn't even attempt to come down with it. He throws a short pass to the FB on a key 4th down that would've gone for the 1st and the FB trips over his own feet. I wonder how we'd be viewing that game differently if those 3 things didn't happen? He did have some poor throws in the Auburn game though, that one endzone throw that got picked was awful. He struggles with accuracy in terms of placement of the ball. Idk how much the short passing stuff though means. They threw alot in the Ole Miss game but the best plays were downfield or sideline passes he made that were excellent. I was a little bit concerned when his coach said that he needs to do some maturing both on and off the field. Idk. If they take him at number 20 I'm not going to start booking flights now to Canton for his eventual HOF ceremony but I won't be pissed either. I'm interested to see how he turns out either way. I just don't see how people sucked Mariota's dick and bash this kid when there are a lot of similarities, just that this kid had to play at Memphis and not stacked Oregon.
I haven't went back and watched tape, but I watch more SEC football than any thing, and the fact that he was 3rd in the SEC in catches twice in his career, lead the league in touchdowns and receiving yards on top of being big and strong with a great vertical and long arms/strong hands is enough for me to see why he's considered one of the drafts top prospects. A much better prospect than your boy Devin Smith and he went in the 2nd round... Not to mention your lone bullshit cricism of him is something that shouldn't be a problem when put on an NFL weight training program and coached by NFL coaches. I don't see it but if that really is something he struggles with, I'd imagine it won't be hard to adjust for the better for someone whose 6'2", 215 of tank muscle normally facing off against corners 5'10", and sub 200 pounds.
Bullshit? This is a HUGE factor in the NFL, if you can't beat press, your odds of being good in the NFL are low. The LOS is so important in the NFL now a days because it's evolved into mainly a passing league. Press has become a major tool to deter these offenses, it's become more and more limited for CBS to overcome the odds against them. So taking advantage of these limited tools is huge for a CB. I'm not a Ohio State homer, stop with that dumbass argument before you start because I haven't mentioned OSU once in this thread or to you, I am very critical of the players that come out of OSU because I understand being a homer only makes you look stupid. Over the years I have made it known if I believe someone from OSU is worthy or trash. Everything in between. You should make sure you got you facts before you assume something based on my Fandom at the college level. You don't see me beating the table for Thomas to be a first rounder do you? I think Joey Bosa is extremely over-rated, I think he benefited from the other players around him, I view him as a very poor man's Ryan Kerrigan. Zeke, I think he is a stud, I believe he is just as good of a prospect as Gurley was coming out last year. Different type of runners, but, I think he will make a big impact for some team. I think Eli Apple is the third best CB in the draft. Ramsey, Jackson, Apple. Bell has potential to be a great safety and think he should be getting more attention then he is. Darron Lee to me isn't even the best linebacker coming out of OSU in this draft. IMO I don't value him as a first rounder. I knew we were fucked going all the way back to Gohlston, I knew he was a extremely over-rated player at OSU and I didn't want us picking him in any way shape or form. I'm comfortable with the amount of time I've put into these prospects. I have a mid 2 grade on Treadwell. I think he is more like Justin Hunter coming out of college than a DHOPKINS from the physicality and skill aspect at the LOS. Both were extremely poor and it's been a problem for Hunter in the NFL. We will see.
there were some drops but when the game mattered he was 2 for 14 on passes over 5 yards. It's not that he throws a lot of short passes, it's that his whole game is running a bubble screen gimmick spread option offense that any QB with a decent release can run. I'm not saying he's a bust or doesn't deserve to be in the NFL, I'm saying his price tag is too much. Last year I wasn't on the Mariota bandwagon because although I liked him, I also liked Brett Hundley just as much. Why pay first round price when I can get a very similar player later in the draft for much cheaper investment. That's how I feel about Lynch as well.
No its bullshit because it's not true. Justin Hunter was 6'4", 196 pounds at the combine. Treadwell measured in at 6'2", 221. Vastly different strength/size comparison and players. Struggling against press coverage is something I'll believe when I see once a player enters the NFL especially when they're physical specimens. If you're talking about a tall skinny player to the likes of Hunter then yes, it becomes a major concern because they're essentially the same weight as the corners they're facing. The only huge knock on Treadwell IMO is the speed. But his size and leaping ability make him into a more quality deep threat than people are giving him credit for. I think he's going to be an excellent player, but you're right, we will see.
I think you do, I'd also take a long look at Hackenberg in round 2 or 3, who could also be a steal down the road.
My 2 cents, Jets will be lucky if Lynch falls to them at 20. But if he does, Jets have to pull the trigger and grab him. From the films/highlites I have seen he's much more a complete package than Petty. Very quick release, strong arm and most important, very little stutter stepping when looking down field. The game against against Ole Miss, the OL was being pushed constantly into the backfield so many times where Lynch had to either hurry the throw or run out the pocket. I would love to see him perform in front of a better group. He definately has the tools - just needs a good tutor and a little patience , BUT, worth the gamble for a 2oth.
18. Bad. Lower than G-no I'm not surprised. Wasn't impressed in the interviews I saw. Not feeling him at 20. Mac's said a couple of times now he'd like more picks. Grab a guy on day 3 if he gets a couple of extra picks
This is what I'm starting to hope for, rolling the dice on this kid in a later round. As much as I like Lynch's skill I'm now thinking we really should go LB'er.
I like Petty, I like Lynch, Goff and Wentz. With or without a Bridge QB on the Jets we have to start thinking of the future. That includes Edge Rushers (Floyd) and OLs That said if you continue to address QB with journeymen and have more 10-6 seasons or even 11-2 your stuck in draft no mans land like this year for that market. IMO its easier to nab a a good LB or Lineman in later rounds. Its costly to move up and grab someone but if you stay put you had better develop talent eg our young players How this all plays out in all the Rounds and who Mac/Bowles/Gailey really like will be the big reveal Thursday. But those three categories(QB Rusher OL) will be what i ll be attending to over the 3 days to see how this will be addressed or its simply a BPA pick em fest. Macs 2nd draft will be interesting Forget Hackenburg ask any Penn State fan how that went
