Jets wanted to be in new york but cablevision fucked them. If you really want to make a statement when fios tv is in your area dump cablevision and let them know why
NY proved that it's not a good sports town, the NY citizens fucked them. Either it's mostly Giants fans, the Jets fans don't care, or both are a minority. Cablevision doesn't matter. The politicians don't matter either. They both listen to public support. There wasn't enough public support. NYers would rather go about their normal boring lives being angry at everything I guess. Most cities love having football teams.
I'd say it's much more likely to be the exact opposite - New Yorkers have so much more going on in their lives (theater, music, museums, seven other professional sports teams in baseball, basketball, and hockey, etc.) that the needs of a professional football team rank lower than in other places. If you live in Green Bay, there's not a whole lot more to get excited about other than the Packers. Then add to that the fact that there are two New York area football teams rather than one, and it magnifies the point. No other city (or more correctly metropolitan area) attempts to support multiple teams in every sport - in fact, not that many even attempt to support one in every sport. To say that NY is not a good sports town strikes me as ridiculous: the Mets and Yankees together drew more than 7.5 million people this year, the Giants and Jets both sell out every year and have long waiting lists, the pathetic Knicks played to 96% capacity last year, the Rangers always sell out whether they're good or bad, etc.
The politicians are who killed the whole project becuase they where in bed with cablevision. When do politcians care about the public so much?
Putting the stadium in New York just isn't worth the trouble, not enough space. Annex East Rutherford! Put the New York around the stadium!
NY doesn't really have a football team. Both of those teams are in New Jersey. The only real NY team is the Bills, and I assumed we were talking about just NYC and LI area, not the upstate area. Saying NY supports football by going to NJ rather than having a team here, is like saying Connecticut is great because it supports the Connecticut Patriots. That's just silly. You can't go to a team in another state and claim you're a good sports town, when you refuse to build a stadium in your own state. I really wich they'd name both the teams New Jersey, then this fiction of a NY team would be exposed and maybe someone would do something about it. I don't think the majority of NYers are fans of any sports to be honest. I think it's mostly a corporate/business city primarily concerned about other things, as you mentioned. I think that's why we didn't get a stadium. If the majority of NYC were hardcore Jets fans, then we'd have the stadium. The fact that NYers have "so much" more going for them would just lead to them not being a good sports town. Is being a front running Yankees fan really the mark of a good sports town? Steinbrenner has been complaining about attendance for years, because even with front running fans he isn't getting the attendance other teams do. A good sports town will support its team even when it's not doing well. I concede the Knicks and the Rangers. Perhaps my statement was too broad, I'll make a narrower one: NY isn't a football town. Maybe it's a hockey or basketball one. But it is definitely not a football one. To me, football is the only important one anyway, so I don't care that NY thinks its good in the other sports.
Well, I certainly don't agree with that. New York City happens to be located on three islands and the mainland, and it just so happens that the NY metropolitan area also includes northern New Jersey. NY sports teams have always drawn from all over the metropolitan area, and saying that the Jets and Giants aren't NY teams because the stadium happens to be in New Jersey, rather than in Yonkers, for example, is just nitpicking. While the state legislatures certainly care which state the team plays in, the fans don't and never have. Northern Connecticut does support the Pats, and so do New Hampshire, Vermont, and Maine, and that's why they're called the New England Patriots. The "New York" Jets and Giants have nothing to do with New York state at all - it refers to the New York City metropolitan area, and is quite appropriate. I'm not sure that Steinbrenner is complaining about the Yankee attendance these days. And since the NY metro area supports NFL attendance to the tune of over 1 million tickets per year (more than any other city or metropolitan area in the country), I don't see how your last statement is supportable either. Just because you've decided that a stadium must be within state limits to be "real" doesn't mean that other people agree. And plenty of people did want a Jets stadium in Manhattan or Queens, but it was blocked by the Jets' inept fumbling of the politics involved. What does that have to do with being a good sports town? Sheldon Silver blocked the WSS all by himself, and the only people who vote for him are people who live in his state Assembly district.
I really wish the Jets would've gotten that stadium. I mean the Jets can't get a stadium in New York City but the city has no problem with a new Yankees stadium right across from the old one that's going to be exactly the same! And for the record Buffalo is in Western New York, not Upstate.
It wasn't the public that killed the WSS, it was the NYC and NYS politicians and Cablevision. And come to think of it, Jet fans did not support it, complaining about tailgating, ticket prices, traffic, etc.
You didn't read what I wrote. If they do lead the league now, it's because they always win, not because the city is full of hardcore fans. I KNOW Steinbrenner complained and even just a few years ago the Yankees had attendance problems, thats why he kept wanting to move the team. As for the politicians, they answer to the people. If the people were for the WSS stadium, no politician would dare oppose it. They just care about getting elected, that's all.
Didn't you write this..... Steinbrenner has been complaining about attendance for years, because even with front running fans he isn't getting the attendance other teams do. ....To which I replied that the Yankees led the league in attendance. Maybe it's more of a matter of you not writing what you meant.
anything past the bronx (or yonkers) might as well be West Virginia to me. :grin: my girlfriend lives in the west village (right next to west side highway), couldn't imagine a huge stadium going up when small studios there are selling for $1M (her's is actually 800k - rediculous!) in those hoods. the people there don't want a monstrocity stadium going up (unless it's high rise condos) in there backyards with thousands of people invading and jamming there area. I wouldn't want a....."racetrack" being build in my backyard. Manhattan is a lot different than any other city in America (being on islands doesn't help - less land to build more overpriced high-rises, even though the do make for beautiful views). that's why we're looking to move to hoboken. Fact is NJ is cheaper and convienant. just my 2 worthless cents NYC is better off annex to NJ.:rofl2:
Perhaps the most important piece of information... "With 200 luxury suites, 10,000 premium club seats and a naming rights deal that will likely produce as much as $20 million a year, the new stadium is expected to produce more than $100 million a year in gross revenues for each team, and $22 million in profits." Hmmm...don't see the need for PSLs with revenues like these.
But the sentence before and after that mentions front running fans, and they won't be there if the team isn't winning. You're right, I wasn't completely clear, but I do think you knew what I mean! :smile:
