Trying to remember how we went from cap heaven to cap hell

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  1. Jetsfansince95

    Jetsfansince95 Well-Known Member

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    Even the Cro signing wasn't bad as we were able to release him with no cap hit !
     
  2. JetsVilma28

    JetsVilma28 Well-Known Member

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    Revis way overvalued at 17m
    Wilk turned negotiator after signing Revis and Sheldon pumping his chest (market for DL also changed rapidly with Suh contract) Wilk should be making the Revis money though, more impactful player.

    Fitz, Ivory and Powell should be the focus and working on restructuring Wilk and Brick.

    Vet OLB and a good Draft (OL) would solve the rest.
     
  3. Brandon Moore's Butt

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    Ivory is gone, sir.
     
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  4. Jets_Grinch

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    This minus Ivory is entirely agreeable. I think ivory was good but we won without him and clearly he's getting a pay day. let's hope mac can restructure a lil and work the magic.
     
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  5. JetsVilma28

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    Think Revis is wayyy overvalued, however the deal made sense because if filled a major need for the defense and it weakened AFC east opponent. Only thing about Revis (not football playing related) is other players/teammates see his negotiating tactics, realize the game is a business first, and become more empowered to earn a bigger contract. .. like they should , just not always best for building a team/contender.

    Look a Tom Brady, he always restructuring for the good of the team (cough cough kraft pays on the side)... you won't get that with a Revis on your team. Although you will get some shut down play here and there, with help over the top now.
     
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  6. JetsVilma28

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    Edit.......disregard.
     
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  7. edray10

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    On the Jets last year while Wilkerson was very good, Revis was the more impactful player (especially if you consider the situation at the end of 2014). The Jets had other very good DLinemen in Richardson and Williams (although Richardson ended up with a one month suspension nobody knew that was going to happen when they were did Revis' contract), but the Jets secondary was a complete disaster at the end of 2014. Revis was clearly more important then, especially as Mo was under contract for last year and could be franchised this year. Going forward, given the fact that Richardson and Williams are on the Jets with cheap contracts, Revis still remains more important than Mo.
     
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  8. Jetsfansince95

    Jetsfansince95 Well-Known Member

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    Well he got 5 years at 6 mil per year ... good for him but wow for an often injured RB !?! in today's NFL
     
  9. Sam Hammer

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    Everybody was singing MM's praises after last off season, but they completely disregarded the fact that he had TONS of cap room so filling the holes was easy. BUT Revis was overpaid and as a result the Jets are losing almost all FAs this year. Poor planning. I don't what the hell this guy is doing this year, but I don't see the Jets retaining a single notable FA now and wouldn't be surprised at all if Wilkerson doesn't sign a deal by the July deadline, rendering his tagging pointless and ensuring they lose him as well down the road.

    This off season potentially has epic fail written all over it and it'll be just like starting over again if we are back to Sanchez vs Geno at QB when all is said and done. This also makes last season an epic fail because we couldn't even make the playoffs and now the team is going to be miles worse. I'm not trying to jump to conclusions here, but this looks bad. MM will be gone within 2 years if that happens and the cycle will continue.
     
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  10. Noam

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    The less simple answer is it it is Idzik's fault. because we were so far under the cap in 2014 we were required to spend almost all of our cap money last year whether we wanted to or not. Spending some money in 2014 might not only have given us a viable team but it would have allowed us much more flexibility on 2015. The positive that came out of our forced spending was that we actually spent the money quite well considering that we were forced to spend it. The Revis signing probably had a lot to do with this as it made the team much more attractive. Mac and the FO should be given a lot of credit for how effectively they used the money last year. Look at how most under performing teams (Browns, Jags, etc) with high cap money spend their money on bad FAs that almost always under perform.
     
  11. NCJetsfan

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    It's still early. He inherited a HUGE mess. Yes, there was a lot of cap space last year, but in some ways having to spend all that money was counterproductive as it had to be spent last year and not spread over 2-3 years. Remember also that he had to make decisions after having been with the team only a few months (2-3), and hadn't even had time to properly evaluate his own team. At the same time he was trying to re-sign Mo, and make decisions regarding the scouting and personnel depts.

    As it turns out Revis was overpaid. Some of us were against his re-signing with the team, but the secondary had been a nightmare, and CB is a very important position in Bowles
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    I'm a little nervous that he hasn't make some moves already to gain more cap space, but he's probably proceeding in a cautious and careful manner. We all knew the Jets weren't going to be players in the early phase of FA and that there would be a struggle to keep their own players that they wanted to keep, and they would be hard pressed to even sign some second tier FAs to shore up positions of need.

    Sanchez isn't coming back. If he does, I will scream, and I will give up on Mac, but I don't think that will happen.

    No, it wouldn't make last season an epic fail. The goal last season was to restore some respectability to the team and to be competitive. They achieved that. They had no illusions that they would be serious contenders for the Lombardi Trophy.

    I think you can forget Mac being gone in 2 years. He would have to totally screw the pooch in the draft this year and next and in both year's FA for that to even be a possibility. I think the job he did last year, and with Wolf and Casserly recommending him bought him some time.
     
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  12. Sam Hammer

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    I feel that he was over rated for what he did last year. The team went 10-6 with a soft schedule, they couldn't even beat the crappy Bills. They had numerous holes last year that were masked because the Jets were winning (literally squeaking by mediocre opponents). His goal is supposed to be longterm success, not boom and bust, right now it's looking boom and bust.

    I agree that it is still early to assume any of this, I just have a bad feeling. For all we know Fitz will sign at 12m to stay in NY and Harrison will return after Brick restructures and a few other cuts are made.

    I would consider last season an epic fail if the team deteriorates and the window disappears. We landed in the worst possible draft position for not making the playoffs.
     
  13. NCJetsfan

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    There was never a realistic window. It was an illusion on the part of you and others who wished to see it. If you want to see last season as an epic fail, that's your choice but I think it's more than a little silly.
     
  14. SOJAZ

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    Agree... he has a plan and will execute it. This fan base is ridiculous at times with the lack of patience’s. If you (collectively you) took the time to read different sources you would see that MAC stated several times that they create a board similar to the draft for FA and use that to target FA, etc. That includes our own and what we can do and not do.... Like others stated he is saddle with a mess, i.e., very poor drafts that have gutted this team. Anyway my hope is we resign Powell and snacks if that is possible, if not thenit is what it is.
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  15. SackExchange69

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    :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: How does it feel being thick in the head? I'll explain it for the dumbass' here. It's called an exaggeration. If Fitz walks the jets would be so bad that they wouldn't be good enough to be fourth in a four team division.
     
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  16. stinkyB

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    When your predecessor drafted like shit, you're forced to overpay for free agents to field a competitive team......
     
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  17. Trip McNealy

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    Somehow all the really good players on the Patriots are all underpaid.
     
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  18. JetsUK

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    Last time I looked we were about 20th in terms of cap space so not good but not awful either
     
  19. Will-I-Am-Not

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    This sums it up.
    It will seem like just a happy accident when Kraft gives Brady a lifetime job with the Pats, at a few million a year, to make-up to Brady what he left on the table to help New England circumvent the salary cap. Bradford's contract is almost double, in terms of average annual salary, what Brady earns, what a joke.
     
  20. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    We could have had Damon Harrison at $6M a year and frontloaded the contract with some of that necessary spending. Mo was probably never happening, because he was clearly above $14M in his demands over the last two seasons.

    There were ways to spend the money and make the team better moving forward. Instead we spent the money to make them better in 2015.

    I'm not arguing that one approach was better than the other but we're going to see the difference in the two approaches in 2016 is my guess.
     

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