That's why I don't understand why people scoff at some these proposals. At this point in the NFL you need to do everything possible to try to land a franchise quarterback. Two first round picks for someone whom could be potentially end up completing 66%+ of his passes per year and have a 2/1 TD to INT ratio is nothing. It can be a risk but sometimes there's nothing to lose.
would rather they start geno and sign manziel and RG3 and let them duke it out with petty. top 2 out of 3 makes the team
He did go off at the end of the season but the Skins had an easier schedule than us. They didn't beat a single team with a winning record. He looked good but it's a small sample size to give up two first round picks. The skins know it and we know it. If the Skins aren't sold on Kirk (which is why he was tagged, prove it again then get your deal) why would we trade two 1st for him?
They didn't have a good defense either. Wins are a team stat. You would take the risk because it's very difficult to find a good young qb.
If they think he has real potential, it is worth consideration. In this day and age, particularly after what happened with Idzik with the billboards and fan outrage, I think it's naive to think that any Jets GM isn't going to at least ponder the ramifications for his job if a deal like that went south. That said, the most important thing would not be what the fanbase would think but what that would do the club. By giving up two firsts for a QB who flopped, Mac would be setting this franchise back at least 5 years and quite possibly 10. As we all know, one of the problems now is that we have too little to show from our previous #1 picks over the last 5 years or so. We also have problems because too many draft picks were traded away and wasted on lousy prospects. Trading away two firsts and missing would make his job incrementally harder, and more than likely would result in his firing within a couple of years because of the lack of progress due to impact of the loss of those two first round picks.
Yeah, well while it would have been high risk, it was high reward. But imo the Sanchez deal is still hurting this club. So yeah, I don't see a second year GM taking that kind of risk if he wants to have a long career in the NFL.
I don't dispute the big potential downside involved. If mac doesn't find us a quarterback in his first 5 years he is likely getting fired too. It would be a bet on his job so he'd really have to believe in a guy named fucking kirk. One of these years he has to find us a good young qb, either way.
While he needs to find us a QB, unless he screws up royally with the draft or FA, I don't think it will cost him his job within 5 years. After all, he can't help it if there are no decent QB prospects available in the draft, via trade or FA. He can't simply snap his fingers and make one materialize. He traded up for Petty last year. Petty deserves a shot to show what he can do. I think as long as Mac has the team competitive, continues to build the roster with solid draft picks and smart FA moves, improves depth and has a solid, competitive team, he will warrant keeping his job and given more time to find a QB.
Honestly, I'd rather have Fitz than Cousins right now. I think Cousins is a little overrated personally. (YOU LIKE THAT!) Plus he could be a one year wonder (well, Fitz might be also, but he's been in the system and likely cheaper as a stop gap to a drafted QBOF.
there is ALOT to lose. 2 first round picks is huge for a team that is will soon need to replace LT, still needs a Edge rusher, has depth issues everyone on the offensive line and linebacker and will eventually need to replace revis. all for a QB who hasnt put together a good 16 game season yet? no effing way. it has disaster potential. there is nothing that sets you back more in the NFL then investing multiple firsts and tons of money into a failed qb
when did kirk cousins become a franchise qb? last i checked he was an oft injured career backup with 1 partial good season. when kirk puts 4-5 seasons together like he just had, then he will be a franchise qb. until then he is basically just another nick foles/matt schaub
if he were already a franchise qb in his prime there'd be no chance of getting him from his current team. that's why you consider the risk. it's really hard to find a young franchise qb and qb is way more important than any other position on the field.
I would just like to point out how much better this thread became once people started to truly debate this topic. I don't believe that this scenario will happen, but it wouldn't be the worst idea. I would much prefer the jets simply draft and groom an actual franchise qb, but we sure have stunk at that over the years. I am fairly open when it comes to filling the QB position. I would actually prefer to see them pursue Brock in free agency more than trade for Kirk. For those who are excessively obtuse and looking for laughs, perhaps just add to the conversation next time.
