Why not aggressively go after Kirk Cousins?

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  1. PennyandtheJets

    PennyandtheJets Well-Known Member

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    2 first round picks doesn't seem like a lot to give up for a young and talented QB like Cousins. Essentially, you would be "drafting" cousins with the 20th pick and trading next year's first rounder for him. Honestly, I don't know why would we wouldn't go after him. I realize it is unlikely, but I don't see why 2 1st round picks would stop us.

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...ashington-redskins-franchise-tag-kirk-cousins
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    The Washington Redskins used their non-exclusive franchise tag on Cousins, the team announcedTuesday. The designation acts as a one-year, $19.95 million contract for the quarterback, who picked a wonderful time to enjoy a breakout season in 2015.

    NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reported last week that the Redskins had considered using the transition tag on Cousins, which would have lowered his annual value by about $2 million while also leaving Washington open to another team making an aggressive play on the passer.

    Instead, the Redskins take the safer, albeit much more expensive, route. Rapoport said on NFL Network on Tuesday that Cousins plans to sign the deal and take part in the team's entire offseason program.

    As for the non-exclusive franchise tag specifics: Cousins can still negotiate with other teams. The Redskins would have the right to match any offer, or receive two first-round picks as compensation. It leaves the door slightly ajar -- something the Broncos weren't willing to do with Von Miller -- but it is very hard to imagine any team signing the still largely unproven Cousins to a long-term deal while also punting on the top of their next two draft classes.

    Yes, $20 million is a lot of guaranteed money for Cousins, but this move makes sense for the Redskins. The price tag would seem to set an unrealistic floor in negotiations this spring, so don't be surprised if Washington lets Cousins play on the tag and try to remove any doubt he is The Man.

    In the end, both sides win: Cousins gets paid like a superstar for one year and the Redskins get a bigger sample size before making a franchise-shifting decision.
     
  2. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    Wilk and a first? Wilkerson is going to command too much money and Cousins is tailored made for Gailey's quick passing offense. I just don't see Washington parting ways with him after they let RGIII walk.

    I don't know Washington's cap situation but if they can afford it I can see them letting him play out his franchise tag season to see if he can duplicate his performance last year (vs. a weak schedule) before committing long term. It's a win win for both sides if they can afford in, in letting Cousins get paid like a stud whIle Washington analyzes if they want to commit long term.
     
  3. JStokes

    JStokes Well-Known Member

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    Holy fuck.

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  4. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    To begin with, the Jets can't even begin to pay Cousins what he probably will want unless they trade Mo. On the surface such a deal wouldn't be so bad if Cousins was a better QB prospect, but he isn't. I like Cousins, but he has been too inconsistent to pay him what he's gonna want or to give up Mo and a 1st round pick for him.
     
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    DoubleDecker87 Well-Known Member

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    A lot to give up... You like THAT???
     
  6. Acad23

    Acad23 Well-Known Member

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    The sensible thing to do is to re-sign Fitz and school Petty for another season.

    Am I wrong here?
     
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  7. Jake

    Jake Well-Known Member

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    No way you give up two firsts for a guy with one good year. But I do think Cousins will be a decent starter in this league.

    We should probably just resign Fitz to a 2 or 3 yr deal and go from there.
     
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    irishwhip03 Well-Known Member

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    We'd be giving up the picks plus we would have to pay him. About double what Fitz will be getting. So financially it doesnt make much sense.

    Cousins is good and could turn into something very good , but for us when we have a 2 year window with limited cap room , its not possible to overpay for a guy with about 10 quality games under his belt.
     
  9. rinvesto

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    if fitz wants bradford like money, I pass. If he wants to be a team player and take a friendly deal that allows us to have money left to deal with Mo and others, resign him.

    His best chance to do something in his career is here and now, and if he wants market value based off bradford year, let him walk
     
  10. LongIslandBlitz

    LongIslandBlitz Well-Known Member

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    Two first round picks lol,people are just insane.I wouldn't even make this trade in Madden
     
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  11. JetLifeLo

    JetLifeLo Well-Known Member

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    lol hell no. Watch Kirk Cousins turn back into the kirk cousins we've always known. I feel like Fitz may do the same but at least it's gonna be 3x cheaper for us to find out.
     
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  12. JetLifeLo

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    quality games against scrub teams at that.. he didn't look like that vs us at all. lol, nor dallas, nor GB in the playoffs... just saying.

    And i feel the same way for Fitz but i trust the team around him more.
     
  13. irishwhip03

    irishwhip03 Well-Known Member

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    Agreed. The Giants and Eagles were two of the worst defenses in the league. Philly might've had one of the worst I've seen in the last 10 years.

    Not like Fitz went against world beaters but the money he will get compared to what is due to Cousins makes me just want to ride it out with Fitz.

    Once Revis' deal gets off the books we can maybe go out there and overpay a young QB.
     
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    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    Did I just drop acid?
     
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    Mevi$ guaranteed money will be ending just around the time we find out if Bryce Petty is our guy or not ^_^
     
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    I would rather trade Mo for Keap then Cousins ...
     
  17. jcass10

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    I actually really like Kirk Cousins, but I need to see him do it for more than a year before I'm dealing multiple firsts.
     
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  18. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    I don't really understand why you're all acting like the guy proposed we traded for Case Keenum. Despite the competition Kirk Cousins played great. Leading the league in completion percentage should never be taken lightly as accuracy among pocket awareness might be the two most important qualities a quarterback can display.

    He's not worth two firsts at thus juncture, but he wouldn't be a bad option if we could swap Wilkerson for him given we probably won't be able to afford Wilkerson anyway.

    Everyone whines and whines and whines about our quarterback play and the lack of a franchise quarterback moving forward (that isn't a Fitzpatrick type stop gap) then blows a gasket when someone brings up another option. Open your mind to trying to find a true franchise mind people.

    I'm not saying we need to go get him and give away the world for him but it's worth the discussion for christs sake.
     
  19. Big Blocker

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    Yes, it is a reasonable thing to do, but I am not sold that it is the best. It all depends on what you think Petty is a likely prospect to take over from Fitz in 17 or 18. And whether, if you are not reasonably confident in that scenario, there are other, and reasonable, alternatives.

    I would love to think Petty can do that, and we don't have any strong reason to think he will not. But neither is there much on the other side of the argument. About ten days ago there was a discussion here whether it is not reasonable to expect that Petty should already be ahead of Smith on the depth chart. Since then there's really been no info that answers that question clearly. A vet oriented CS can reasonably say that Smith was the #2 as the last season ended, and is still that until he is effectively unseated. Even if they think that is likely to happen.

    Alternatively you could say the CS has seen enough bad of Smith, as I think they have, and enough good of Petty that we might as well plan going forward that Petty is the #2 already.

    Whether you are vet oriented or not, choosing from these alternatives most depends on where you think Petty is, and where he is going. And a good guess on that right now is that he's somewhere in the middle. Which I suppose is better than if they had too little confidence in him.

    But being in the middle makes it harder to see a clear path forward.

    Having said that, not being confident enough to say he's already #2 on the depth chart makes me nervous about Petty. Whether the CS is vet oriented or not. After all he was only a 4th round pick, and has not played. The Jets should count on such a player?

    I know there's a lot of other holes to fill. But the FO cannot afford to be complacent about the Qb situation, imo. They need to consider whether any alternatives are reasonable, and not count on Petty.
     
  20. Big Blocker

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    As for the OP's point, I can't see a second year GM making a move like the specific one for Cousins when he has Fitz to use in the short term. It would be a huge gamble.

    But I find it amusing some here assume that Fitz is a sure thing to come in at a low number. That remains to be seen.

    If Fitz asks for too much, and Wilkerson continues to as he seems to be doing, then a deal like the Cousins one would not be so crazy. As it stands now unless someone else wants to take Wilkerson in a trade, maybe for a second round pick at best, then dealing Wilkerson to DC for what amounts to a first one pick equivalent is hardly a bad thing. And if Fitz is asking for too much, then what other alternatives are there out there to either paying him too much or getting someone other than Cousins?

    Personally I think Cousins stays in DC since the fans love him.
     

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