Again, being the best run stopper in the NFL means squat to me. The NFL is a passing league, not a running league. We don't have a single elite RB in the AFC. Even if we did, stopping the pass is more important. Simon may be a much better pass rusher than Snacks, and more than good enough vs the run. I'd settle for that any day, plus with the money that we would have used to re-sign Snacks, we could possibly sign an outside FA who would help the team at another position like OG, TE, OT, better backup for Mangold, RB, etc.
OK, sorry, thought you were responding to me. I agree with you that keeping only one of the four is not necessary and is excessive. We don't want to make the DL a weakness again.
Says a man who can't even distinguish the difference between Snacks and Jay Ratliff. Man, you are on your way to your legend. ============================================================== Ok - I will stop. Phillips 3-4 deploys his linemen between gaps. They are never required to read two gaps . That includes NT; every one of the linemen is a one gap shooter. As such, his NTs tend to be more of undersized bunch, but with agility and speed. What that allows the NTs in Phillips system is that, they can now pull stunts and loops - the classical pass rushing moves for interior linemen. They are, in essence, 3T in 4-3 playing as NT in 3-4. The consequence of this approach is, the run game suffers unless the LB corps can pick up the slack and back up the shallow space behind. For this reason, one of the ILB tends to be quite huge [as he needs to take on the OL quite frequently.] Now, does how does Snack stack up against these gap shooting NTs? He's not going to get after the QB - we all know that. But you know what? It's basically saying, "You will not run inside the box." And Jets had one of the best run defense - especially against the runs inside the box - for a reason. Now, if you think Jay Ratliff - or any undersized bunch for that matter - can succeed in this situation, you are deluding yourself. Jets opted to go with Snacks because that was much more advantageous in this harsh northeastern weather. You can't reliably throw the ball. Not in this wind or chill. Jets are simply sticking to their mantra. Simply put - here's the deal. If you get bulky, powerful NT, he will anchor the line and will stop the run very effectively; but he won't be able to get to the passer by himself. If you want to get a NT that can get to the passer, maybe your best bet is a quick, undersized NT; but then you will need to compensate his lack of beef with schemes and most importantly, ILB behind him. You have to pick your poison - you can't just have it your way with this. [And if I had to make my pick, I will go with Snacks as well. Giving Brady the passing attack AND rushing option is more than moronic to me. It can certainly change, especially if Jets D gets faster at LB corp, but at current state, I'd have to go with Snacks.] Do the Jets have enough talent to go with undersized NT? From the way it looks, Jets are, at current state of their LBs, fucked either way. [Bowles had to go with 4-2-5 or 3-2-6/3-3-5 a lot during the course of the season for a reason.] If they stayed with two-gapping NT, they won't have to pick as many LBs in the draft and FA, as opposed to getting a gap shooting NT - in which case, we know Jets are in deep trouble. Even with Harris staying [I don't think he can take on OL - the dirty chore belonged to Bart Scott - but let's say for now he can.] Jets don't have a single LB that can cover in space and stop the run at any given down. That includes ILBs. Looks like Jets need at least 3 new starting LBs for that NT change, if you ask me. =========================================================================================== Throughout my entire lifetime, I saw only a handful NTs that could dominate the rush defense AND pass defense - Casey Hampton of Steelers, Jamal Williams of Chargers, Vince Wilfork of the Patriots and Kris Jenkins in his Jets days are about all I can remember off my head. And when they dominated, they didn't do it with their agility and athleticism. They dominated with their sheer power. [In case of Jamal Williams, he was drawing triple team all on himself, sealing both A-gaps as a result.] Finding that kind of physical specimen is not easy.
You are clearly referring to the Rex Ryan's scheme, you played right into my hands congrats bud. Not Todd Bowles's scheme. Todd Bowles runs a 1 gap scheme. This gives the the defensive line more opportunities at rushing the QB. Don't make size an excuse for Snacks being inept at rushing the passer. Shame on you. http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2015/07/jets_damon_harrison_says_todd_bowles_will_let_him.html http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2015/08/05/nfl-new-york-jets-todd-bowles I hope you are watching Dontari Poe play tonight. He's around the same size as Damon Harrison and plays on all 3 downs in a 3-4 scheme. He's the best nose tackle in the league. You sir are the legend.
I would trade Mo. I would make Snacks a priority to re-sign. Which I believe he will be resigned before he even hits the FA market. If he is, that's not a good sign for Mo, which would be a huge indication Mo will likely be traded. I believe we bring Cro back at a much cheaper price point. I think we will allow Henderson to replace Davis. I think we double dip at OLB this offseason, draft and FA.
You do know Bowles plays a lot of one gap, primarily one gap, almost exclusively one gap schemes, right?
What do you mean not with Snacks? lol You really think he ONLY runs a 1 gap scheme on third downs? Really? Rewatch some of the games man, they run a 1 gap system with Snacks in there primarily, most of the two gapping stunts come on third downs when he isn't in there, still a lot of 1 gap when he is out on passing downs as well. I don't know where your getting your info or what you've watched but your wrong.
I am not opposed to trading MO. But I do not want to see both go. Mo could get us something we need. We are old at Ol and LB. But I do not want to strip the line down. Really good noses can be crucial. And they are not cost prohibitive.
We've had good Nose Tackles for the last decade. I think at this point it's fair to say that we'll be fine. They aren't that hard to come by. Go pick up Ellis if you have to, there's no need to spend 7+ million per year on Snacks when you have trouble re-signing somebody like Mo, a truly unique player
he is not going to get 7--and I disagree about really good nose tackles. If they are all so similar why are some teams so easy to run against, and teams like the Jets are impossible to run against?
What makes you say that? Two years ago he declined 15 mil. for 3 years so good luck trying to get him to take the same amount let alone less now that he's considered one of the elite run stoppers in the league. He's easily getting 7 per year, maybe 8.
I'm opening up to the idea of trading Mo ... if we bring back a 1st and 3rd that gives us 5 picks in the top 90 which we could use to address ILB OLB OG OT and RB/KR !
In all honesty, I don't see why we can't get two first rounders for MO. He is right there with JJ Watt at the position, I think we can do better than a one and three. He can be a game changer on defense, if you are a game changer and play on a consistent level like Mo does, he should be valued higher than a one and three. IMO.
Can someone answer my question I posted earlier? If we tag him then trade him do we have to pay his years salary?
I don't think so; otherwise, there wouldn't be any incentive for teams to do it. Normally, when a team trades a player, they do have to pay the salary, but I don't think they do in this situation.
