Why are we talking about free agency!? Two huge games to go! We win out and I believe we will be in the playoffs. Denvers going down this weekend! But to talk about free agency lol I think Norman will demand more then 12 mil a year. He's arguably the best corner
Pass, he's on a good Panthers D. Product of the system. I think he would have success but he is gonna want to be paid like the best CB. He's not.
Cro was signed because a) of his familiarity with Bowles and b) the fact that at that point we didn't have another starting caliber corner next to Revis (at least from Bowles perspective). And c) it was a prove it contract. Essentially a 1 year deal with no commitment or without influencing our future cap situation. Don't compare that to paying Norman 15-20 mil. per year long term with a ridiculous 30-40-50 mil. guaranteed on top of that. Cromartie was not a top corner, nobody considered him a top corner. He barely makes more than our slot guy (Skrine) this year. He's getting nickel back / average #2 corner money.
So Revis must be a product of the system also, by your logic. He's thrived under Rex, Bowles and Belichick but was just above average in Tampa Bay... This statement is as true as the one you cited above. I get it if people disagree with the usage of cap, but to claim the guy isn't that good is asinine. If we were able to obtain Von for the same price I would agree that he would be the best option based on needs. However, I believe he will get Justin Houston kind of money which means roughly $4m/year more.
Revis came into the league lighting it up. 2-3 seasons in he was being talked about as being one of the best cornerbacks of all time. He was on a team self imploding that ran the Tampa 2 which didn't play to his strengthens. He was also coming back after tearing his ACL... I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. I never claimed Norman wasn't that good. I'm just not a fan. I think he is top 10 but he is not the best, and should not be paid like the best. Norman is 28 years old already. He got a late start to his career. He is having a break out year on the best defensive unit in the league which is also undefeated. I'm just not a fan of him and don't think we should throw 10+ million at this dude. Do it for a few more seasons? Then maybe it's justified but at that point he will be 30-31. Instead of throwing 10+ million at a corner year after year why don't we get someone like you suggested in Houston, or hopefully Miller. Those guys will make a huge difference. Our secondary is pretty young. We could make some upgrades and still be above average to good without breaking the bank when Revis and Co leave.
Norman has out played Revis this year who in my opinion IS still the best CB in the league. Revis to me is still the best until proven otherwise by Norman playing at this level at least another year. For right now though you would have to consider him the best CB in the NFL for 2015 anyways. That being said, there's such a stark contrast in talent between the top few CB's and everyone else at that position. This is invaluable if implemented properly, see Denver's D this season. Yes they have a pass rush to accompany the likes of Chris Harris and Aqib Talib to obtain the results that they've got this year but it is a lot easier to create pressure or find pass rushers than it is to contain and cover receivers, especially 1on1. We should have a decent amount of cap space even after Fitz and Snacks are locked up (and certain contracts are tweaked or dropped). I assume a good deal of it will go towards the right side of the O-line as it rightly should. I can't see us signing Big Mo for the price he is going to command, we messed up by not signing him in the offseason. That leaves Sheldon and his 2016 suspension as leverage to be able to get him at a much cheaper cost this upcoming off season (I'd rather have Big Mo I said this the whole time but we messed up). Ivory will probably want a multi-year deal asking for around $8m/year so we'll let him walk and get a Lamar Miller (24yo) for around $5m/year, or try to move up in the to 2016 RB heavy draft. So now the contracts that we have to concern ourselves with are Sheldon, Fitz and Snacks. The latter 2 of the 3 will be the make or break point in what they will ask for. We may let Snacks walk but Fitz will be paid, it all comes down to how much.
For salary cap reasons, I don't think there's much chance of us getting Norman; unless we also franchised & traded Wilkerson to a team that was willing to give him the long term deal he wants. But I'd rather have Mo Wilkerson on our team, personally.
This could not be more incorrect. And for those that think it has just been this year, he was as good as any corner in football last year, including Revis and Davis. But to the original post - he will not be a Jet next year, the Panthers will lock him up.
I hope we don't go after this guy...... He's a overrated clown who was so unsportsmanlike that OBJ went off the deep end.....
We need to take care of our guys ...Mo, snacks, fitz, and powell, maybe ivory. After that best to spend on offensive line. We have a lot of $$ locked in on Revis. We shouldn't be spending 12-14 mill on another corner.
100% Odell's doing. Initially instigated by Norman but Odell was relentlessly retaliating on every play after that.
There's not many but this post was about trying to get Norman in here when he's not a fit for the system. PP is clearly a guy who you can continue to play man to man and keep a high level of play. Marcus Peters is IMO one of the next great corners in this game, he plays man to man and is physical. It's just crazy people think Revis has fallen off or isn't the same...I mean of course he isn't Revis of years ago...he's older...but he can still cover you like glue and is still one of the few corners who follow the opponents best wr all over the field. A Norman plays in a strictly zone defense...he's almost like Sherman in that he stays mostly on one side of the field and he's in a GREAT system. Norman is great but he has amazin LB's who can cover anyone in Luke and Davis...he has Coleman who's near the top of the league in INT's as well. They play an amazing zone defense. If I were to rank the best man to man coverage guys... Peterson Talib Revis Peters V.Davis which in this man's NFL is damn good.
Jet's have better DL to pay than the quality of CB Norman is, Norman will demand a stupidly high salary cap #. DL are more valuable. Most QB's are affected to far higher levels of pressure than they are of tight coverage, only one involves them taking a beating.
Straight man, give me: Revis, Talib, Peterson, Butler, forget the rest. They've given up the kitchen sink and everything else covering less than #1's with safety help. Very few cover good receivers on an island.
This is not correct. (among many other things in your post) The point of the thread was to bring to attention the fact that Carolina is going to be strapped for cap space and that bringing in Norman could be a possibility. I do personally advocate for it if the price is right and we can address our own internal needs first. It all comes down to two major things: 1) Do we franchise tag Big Mo and go with Sheldon as the as the cheaper option for the big contract, which also will allow for more 2016 FA acquisitions (Von, Norman, OL, etc) [this option gives us the best chance for immediate success in 2016] 2) Sign an already disgruntled Big Mo coming off of a career year to a long term deal that will rival JJ Watt money and get who is IMO the better player of the two between Mo and Sheldon [if we go this route we will likely miss out on either a high profile FA or the improvement of the OL in 2016]
The Sheldon Mo argument is tough. I thought going into the year Sheldon was the better player but he hasn't had the impact this year that he had last season. At certain points last year he just dominated and was pretty much unblockable. Some of that could be that he has been playing more outside this year where I think he is out of position. His offseason and even some of the comments yesterday about Beckham not deserving a suspension just shows me he still doesn't get it. I think we may be better off locking up Wilkerson and Snacks and moving on or even trying to trade Sheldon. That said if Mo is going to demand some outrageous contract (i.e. Suh deal) that could hurt the overall product the team can put on the field we may need to move on from Mo and roll the dice with Sheldon.
