The simplest answer to the "why have the Jets and Mo not gotten together yet on a contract extension?" question is that they can't agree on what he's worth. If you're the Jets and you have two really good young defensive linemen and you know you can't pay both of them at the top of the market you're going to be having a lot of internal debate about which one to pay. It looks like the Jets have decided that Sheldon Richardson is more likely to be worth the one top of the market contract they can afford on the cap. Then you have the draft of Leonard Williams, which they don't have to really worry about on the cap until 2018 or so. I don't think this is about the Jets having any qualms about Mo as a player. I think it's more likely that they've decided that Sheldon Richardson is the better of the two players and the one they want to keep around at all costs. Sheldon is going to cost a mint to retain.
Of course then the question is can they not agree on what he's worth because the Jets are being cheap or because Mo has an overinflated sense of his market value? Thankfully the negotiations (assuming they've had any) have been kept out of the papers so we don't really know but I'd suspect more number two than number one, just from Mo's own comments/actions and the fact this GM seems to know how to put a price point on players and assets.
Macc gains nothing by locking up Mo now. I think he'd only do it if it's a great deal for us, otherwise there's no point. Macc is going to wait and "gamble" on Leonard Williams. If he turns out to be a stud, if he shows he can be a stud in camp, I think Macc might be open to trading Mo. He has to. You can't pay Mo, Leonard and Sheldon. That's around 50 mil. per year for those 3 if they get locked up, probably more. That's 1/3 of your entire salary cap, maybe 1/4. One of those 4 at some point will have to be moved and right now Macc might just be waiting to see if Leonard shows him/us enough to maybe pull the trigger and trade Mo now. Why would you pay Mo now? Let's forget that he deserves it, that he deserves to be paid, that he's an elite player. Let's leave that out for a second. There's no reason to extend Mo now. I hope we get something done but I can see why Macc doesn't exactly try to rush this thing.
We still don't know if the new management team has a clue about how to value players. We'll know more in a year or two. The Jets are paying Revis what the Bucs did and that did not work out at all. The Pats paid Revis what he was worth.
This is absolute BS, and trying to qualify it by comparing him to Richardson is weak, Rich has one of the best motors in the game
It's not BS if the Jets are evaluating which D lineman they will be willing to give a top end contract. And if they decide Richardson is the better player with a better motor and Leonard Williams plays well, then Mo won't get that contract from the Jets.
A penetrating 3T with a great motor is one of the most valuable assets an NFL team can have. Those guys are really rare and they draw double teams all the time and they beat them anyway. Sheldon is in that category although he hasn't had the breakout season yet that makes him one of the top 3 or 4 defensive linemen in the game. Mo is an excellent player and one of the best 3-4 DE's in the game. He's a couple of seasons further into his career than Sheldon and he hasn't had the breakout year either. If Mo gets 15-20 sacks this year, in his 5th year in the league, he's going to make the Jets life very hard as they work things out. If he has his average season it won't be hard at all.
the thing is.. you have to compare him to Richardson. Its unfair a little to say those things about a player in general but when a player wants big time dollars they are held to a higher standard. Wilkerson wants big money so he has to get the scrutiny that comes with that. Coples is similar to Wilkerson but he's not going to be trying to get the same contract so he's held to less of a standard. Harrison will be paid like a 2 down player somewhere, so he's not held to the standards that top Dlinemen are held to. And when you could be facing the possibility of having 2 great DL in Wilkerson & Richardson with the long term prospects making it tough to give them both what they want financially, it makes sense to put them side by side and compare & consider everything. especially their "motor"
This is exactly why you don't give Wilkerson the contract right now. Theres no reason too. See if he has that kind of ability in him (15-20 sacks) first. If he does have that ability what better way to bring it out by keeping him hungry and motivated for a contract while you still can
What are you even responding to? I was responding to a statement that said Mo never pursues when the ball goes to the opposite side of the side. Are you agreeing with that statement?
jeez really? that's your issue. it was a bit of an exaggeration sure but lets not be a petty deuchebag. of course its not never but its definitely an issue with him. opposite side pursuit is definitely not part of his game and something he needs to show more of. That comes from effort
I didn't say that you can't compare them. I said the using a comparison to Rich to qualify the statement "He never pursues from the opposite side" was weak, and it is. Because Richardson is more relentless when the ball is away from him does not equal Mo never pursuing, not even close.
Oh please, fuck you. He pursues plenty from the oppo side but you figured you would make a petty deuchebag exaggeration without basis in fact
no for that you don't even have to compare the two. Wilkerson just doesn't hunt guys down from the other side. very rare if when he shows that. I like when they run inside of him off tackle, he has the tendency to come back underneath and get the runner but he needs to show more of that. But if its on the other side of the line? forget it
I personally don't have an issue with you but many do. Its because your posts usually end up like this.
Good as gone, I don't see how you don't expect Mo to get at least 10 sacks w/ this secondary. His value will sky-rocket and will ask for even more money. He will be the next great Jet to leave this franchise during or before his prime. Then we will ask in 10 yrs why we didn't keep the guy. I've seen this story before.
Who do you think is likely to be the better player over the course of their careers, moving forward from this point: Mo Wilks or Sheldon Richardson? I think the answer is Richardson, because he's a year ahead of Mo developmentally at the same age. It's possible that Mo will be better but if I had to pick just one of them to commit a huge top 5 contract too it would be Richardson. If you think Mo will be better, moving forward, then you'd rather just lock up the guy you have to lock up now and worry about how to fit everything else down the road. None of this means that Mo is not an excellent player because he is, but one of the downsides of using 1st round picks on defensive linemen over and over again, as the Jets did with Mo, Coples, Richardson and now Leonard Williams, is that you have to pick and choose among them when you are divvying up the cap. Signing Darrelle Revis was a feel good moment because he was a standout player at one of the Jets weakest positions. Now we have to deal with the reality that some other people are going to have to go to maintain the cap. Mo is probably the prime candidate to move on due to the new reality that signing Revis and drafting Williams created. He's the price.
Right now, I think Mo is still the better player, by a VERY small margin due to his versatility on the field. Richardson has team leader written all over him and he's just insane, never gives up on plays. I don't think there's a right answer. Makes it all better to have them playing together, developing together. It's an understatement how much these guys compliment each other. I think the Jets need to do their best to keep them both. I believe we can still lock up both. We are not tied to any players really long-term at this moment (meaning past 3 seasons). We have no idea how much Mo is asking for, do you really think he's asking for Watt like cash? Mo and his agent can't justify that and if they really want that Watt like money, then we need to trade Mo and keep Sheldon. Coples to me, I really like the kid - to me he's the contingency plan if Mo doesn't work out, but he's not as good as Mo, not even close. Coples, Snacks - both are expendable. We don't have to worry about Leonard Williams until at least 2020. He's still an unknown commodity. FYI - I was NOT happy with the Revis signing; we gave him QB money the first couple of years. He better make those around him better, otherwise that signing is a shot in the foot.
