You put him over Montana or Unitas who went up against players who didn't choke all the time? I don't. Montana never threw an INT in a SB either. Brady went up against one QB who never struggled under pressure and lost....TWICE.
Montana faced inferior competition in SBs where the real SB was the NFC championship game. Brady gave his D late leads in both SB losses just using your logix here you wouldn't say Elway choked, Marino choked, Boomer, Ken Anderson, Kelly- they were all in Montana's era, right?
Really? Montana went up against Ken Anderson, John Elway, Boomer Esiason and Dan Marino... ALL Much better than Kurt Warner, Jake Delhomme, Donovan McNabb, Eli and Russell Wilson. He also competed against top defenses like the Bears, Giants, Redskins and Eagles. Whenever Brady went up against competent defenses he lost often (Jets, Ravens and Giants). Montana also went up against the elite coaches (Gibbs, Parcells) not boneheads such as Dungy, John Fox, Norv Turner, Martz etc. or guys that almost never got it done in the big games (Cowher and Reid) And actually, I am using YOUR logic. You ALWAYS diminish the value of a QB based on whether they won the big games, so why should the fact Brady beat a bunch of guys who suck in the clutch elevate him to GOAT.
game is easy when your team is super loaded and other team is not as good as your team. do you even remember that massacre of a game against the broncos? that's like Pats playing Jags in the SB. talk about a total mismatch. every pats SBs were evenly matched chess match. brady could've gone 0-6 in the SB but also 6-0. in a no salary cap era, it's easy to just go buy a ring. oh by the way, i think montana is great. but i just think he gets too much credit for being 4-0 in the SB. he never had to deal with a fluke helmet catch.
Hey Murrell, you're a mod, can you change the thread title to read something more truthful, now that it's been firmly established that Brady is not, in fact, the Greatest QB of All Time? Maybe "Tom Brady, a darn good little QB given the circumstances"? _
Kurt Warner is better than Anderson and Boomer were and at his peak he was as good as any QB to ever play the game. SL 2001 was far better than any team Joe beat in a SB as was Seattle 2014. you are mentioning NFC D's, you brought up zero INTs in the SB. where were the great AFC D's he faced? The NFC was great, Joe was great and the Niners were great. The AFC has been pretty damn good in Brady's era and he has dominated it and the top NFC teams. I weight big games more heavily, a guy like Peyton who always comes up small I knock down a peg or 2. He had SB caliber rosters almost every year and is lucky to have 1 SB title. Marino rarely had talent around him to win and the same w/ Elway.
He wasn't the GOAT before that game and a fluke win based on the worst offensive call in NFL history shouldn't elevate him. If Pats fans are going to complain about a fluke helmet catch, then they have to accept they were also given a massive gift by Pete Carroll. _
whether NE won this SB or not he led his team from down 10 pts in the 4th qtr against one of greatest D's of all time. whether his D blew a THIRD SB or not is irrelevant.
kurner warner was friggin MVP, dude. and delhomme was top 10 QB that year. mcnabb was top 5 QB that year. wilson is top 7-8 QB this year. Eli is masterful when he gets to the post season(kinda like flacco) you are not playing QB's career in the SB. you are playing QB that year. and bad QBs don't go to SB. so this QB vs. QB is kinda stupid. it's always team vs. team. i'll take 6SB appearance easily over 4. because just getting there is impressive. yes, i'm not a elway guy, but him getting there 5 times is a great feat. and that's why i put elway in my top 10 even though he was flawed QB.
lynch didn't have a great goal line stats, and pats don't give up TDs in the 4th. so you never know what would've happened if carroll called a run play. what happened happened. pats were better team. brady made seahawks D look ordinary. yes brady threw 2ints. after all brady is in decline. but brady was masterful carving up that defense. and let's hypothetically say brady goes to 2 more SBs but loses both. that's 8SBs and he would be 4-4. isn't that better than 4-0? i really don't why people take points away when they go to SB and lose it. it's friggin SB. when was the last time Jets went to SB?
players are easily 30-40lb heavier on avg for linemen. and DBs and skilled players are easily faster today. so let's call that a wash. because while it's easy to accumulate stats, the game is much faster and players are much bigger. go google peyton manning standing next to joe montana. montana is a midget. montana never was full 6ft 2. go google elway and peyton manning. elway, once thought was a greek god, most perfect physical specimen looks rather ordinary next to 6ft 5 manning oh by the way, i always had brady as the GOAT. ever since his 2nd mvp season.
Nice troll job. Isn't there a Pats board you can go gloat on about your system QB? Holy shit. So you were FOUR when Elway came into the league and you want to lecture me on his career? More likely, you started watching football oh around 2000 like most other Pats fans and all you know is Brady? Yes, Brady is the greatest QB you have ever seen play since 2000. You win in your mind. But having never actually seen Montana or Marino or Elway or Unitas play, your opinion is based on you reading stats and stories and your own bias towards your Demi-God of a douchebag cheating scumbag franchise. Oh the lulz you've given me. Thanks. _
I don't need to google anything about Montana or Elway. You see, I actually saw them play. You base your opinions on Google. And probably a Wikipedia article or two. Too funny. _
I would've had kurt warner in my top 5 if he started in this league right after college, and didn't have that 'dark period' with giants. his peak was ridiculous.
Warner took 2 awful franchises to SBs, both were awful before he got there and after he left(though AZ isn't awful they haven't made a postseason since he left).
get outta here. so are you saying only the old dudes are experts? lol yes, i religiously watched football since 1985. since i was 6. AND elway played till what 98? i'm only 2 years younger than brady. i guess brady doesn't know anything about football. lol and let's hypothetically say i jumped bandwagon in 2000. that's already 15 years. 15 years is a long time.
