if the eagles are willing to give up that much then the jaguars and raiders would be all over that deal and trump our pick im not buying this report
They've been on a downwards trend since his rookie season. He isn't building on his early successes. He's declining a bit. That suggests the physical toll of all the running is catching up to him. He's not an accurate QB in any case. His early numbers strongly suggest he'll be a 60% QB for his career, which is below average in the post-modern NFL passing game. The whispers at mid-season last year, confirmed by Newton with whispers from his camp as well, don't happen in the normal course of events.
Exactly. Why are the Eagles only interested in trading up for Mariotta if he is available at 6 but not interested in trading up to get him before one of the other first five teams who may want him get him?
isn't that what i said yesterday? These things never play out like they seem that they will in March.
The full blown 20 +52 + 1st in 2016 + 2nd in 2016 + 1st in 2017 barely gets the Eagles up to the 3 spot. They have no way to get up to the 2 without giving up those 5 picks plus Foles. A deal with the Jets at 6 would be substantially cheaper, letting the Eagles keep their 1st in 2017 and maybe their 2nd in 2016 as well.
He just had the best season of his career in 2013. Then they stripped him of the talent around him and his numbers dipped a little bit. That's not really a downwards trend. Have you watched him play or are you strictly looking at the box scores? I have to ask because he is plenty accurate. He is a very good QB. The guy has never had the best weapons around him and this year it was rock bottom with guys around him. As Benjamin develops and they add more pieces, he will be deadly. A guy like Andrew Luck hovers around 60% completion percentage (barely) and he's the savior of this league but Cam Newton does the same and he's "not an accurate QB in any case" and his "numbers strongly suggest he''ll be a 60% for his whole career which is below average"?? come on now
I can't see Philly giving up Foles, and 2 first rounders for Mariota. Let alone some of the offers people are posting here. If I'm the Jets I only do this trade for Foles, 2015 and 2016 1st rounders, and a 2nd rounder in 2015 too. I don't believe for a sec that Philly doles out this much for the #6 pick. If they do for some odd reason, then the Jets can really rebuild this whole damn roster.
Yup. Actually, I think it's just 2-5 because TB cannot trade out of that spot if they like either of the 2 QBs. The only hesitancy I have is whether those 2-5 teams want to be drafting out of the top 5-10 picks. Do they REALLY want to be at 20, notwithstanding all the other picks. It's the only way I'm convincing myself that Mariota will be there for us. I still think he's going to TB. And then maybe Winston is there for us at 6, which would be an awesome consolation prize. _
The problem is that the values don't need to match up on the value chart for a deal to go through and the NFL Draft is very static. Some years have more top end talent some years less. Dropping from 6 to 20 not only gives away a lot of percentage points in terms of acquiring a good player but we'd also be trading away Mariota. It's too big of a jump to not get away with a steal of a trade.
not to mention Kelly obviously desperately wants Mariota and thus would lose all leverage to the Jets if Mariota falls to 6 and the Jets could/should hold his ass to the fire
I see this story/scenario has reappeared. One point is it obviously is based on the assumption that Tampa takes Winston. I understand the issues, but Tampa seems most poised to take a chance on Winston will simultaneously being in need of Wintson's kind of game more than Mariota's, specifically including consideration of the likely less lead time it would take for either to start in their O. I could be wrong, as could this story's assumption that Winston goes in the first pick. But it makes great sense to me. However I still am doubtful Mariota gets past Tennessee.
Lets say MM is there at 6 which is a long shot and we DONT want him because we signed a QB in free agency or (hopefully not) havent given up on Geno...We still should be drafting Amari Cooper or Kevin White
Less than 5% likely. The character issues are being mega-discounted by any teams with a need. Hence, the narrative coming out of the combine (all real positive on Winston) along with TB investing all day in hosting Winston earlier this week. You guys can talk about it on the internet all you like but absent a new incident occurring with Winston between now and the draft, character issues appear to be a complete non-factor in terms of his draft stock.
If Nick Foles is in the deal, I am 100% for trading the #6 pick. Even if it was just #6 pick for Eagles 1st Round pick in 2015 and 2016 and Foles. That would do it for me.
Actually I think that the best approach to take if MM is still available at #6 AND the Jets like MM but don't love him, is to simply draft MM at #6. Engage Chip in trade talk while we are on the clock and continue those discussion all the way until the Eagles are on the clock at #20. We then get the benefit of seeing what pick #20 looks like and hopefully can drive the price up further from where it was when NYJ were on the clock at #6.
Tell the Eagles we want Foles, Matthews, Kendricks and their first round pick this year and next year or fuck off. Don't be a doormat
