Deflate-gate

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  1. Burning Elvii

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    Dean Blandino, head of officiating, said Walt Anderson gauged the footballs. That doesn't mean he tested the footballs with a gauge, it could mean he just squeeze tested them. But, like I was saying, it is impossible that the Colts could have inflated their footballs within the legal limit before the game, and then naturally, they could've been still within the legal limit at halftime if they inflated their footballs in a 75 degree room or warmer
     
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    Again, stupid or dishonest. Being at the high end of the legal range is in no way "over inflated". Similarly, preferring that the football be at 12.5 psi isn't "under inflated". Words fucking mean things, I can't help it if you don't understand that.Here, let's try another one. Say the Salary cap is $145 million, If the Jet's spent exactly $145 million , you know, the actual fucking CAP, would you run around saying "They were OVER the cap" ? Or how about another one. The speed limit is 65 mph. If someone were driving down the road doing 65MPH, would you say "Oh man, they are OVER the speed limit? "


    The damned spec per the NFL is 12.5 to 13.5 PSI. If a QB prefers their ball to be 13.5 PSI, that IS NOT OVER INFLATED. It's true that we don't know what PSI that Luck prefers, but he might just like that ball to be at 13.5 PSI, which again, is NOT "over inflated."
     
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    On hot days his footballs would eventually be over-inflated given your simple assumption that they started at the acceptable maximum. Has that ever been reported as having been a problem?
     
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    You're right, they would go over. From my recollection, an issue like this has never been reported in the NFL, either over or under.
     
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    That point is one of the problems with this whole thing. Balls that start at 12.5 and then go out into cold weather will go below the allowed range during the game. balls that start at 13.5 and go out into hotter weather will go above the allowed range. Basic science.
     
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    I don't recall it ever being reported as an issue that the colts, who have played on hot days, had a ball checked that was found to be above the allowed range . So are we sure we want to assume that, in actual operations, the Colts are consistently inflating their balls to the upper end of the allowed range?

    It would be reasonable to assume that if, in actual operations, the Colts are consistently inflating their balls to the upper end of the allowed range and they have played football on hot days, at some point it would be complained about or reported, similar as to what has happened to NE. But that didn't happen.
     
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    ...because no one historically has given a crap about this?
     
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    No one actually complains about this. There are many NFL games played in weather that's cold enough so that every ball will be deflated below the legal limit no matter it's initial PSI, but no one has complained about that, and it's not proof or anything. The facts are that it would be impossible for the colts footballs to not be below the legal limit if they inflated their footballs legally at the beginning of the game. The Patriots footballs were most likely deflated by the weather, and whether the Colts footballs were or not is irrelevant. if they weren't, the Colts cheated or maybe just inflated their footballs in a room colder than 75 degrees
     
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    how have we not seen this? it was the colts that were cheating the whole time.

    it was right in front of our faces and we didnt even see it :rolleyes:
     
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    If we somehow get Mark Sanchez and Brian Schottenheimer into this thread it will never die. The immortal thread.
     
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    has there been any on-the-record indication that the Colts' balls were tested at half-time or after the game? people assume they were but I haven't seen any definitive information that they were.
     
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    Lol = fuck, they busted out the science and logic shit, making me look all kinds of stupid
     
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    Yes, both teams balls were measured by gauge at halftime and after the game, according to one of the few official league releases on this. The investigation commenced because at the half, Indy's balls were still within the legal range but NE's were below it (no specific measures were provided). The first report by Chris Mortenson said 11 of the 12 NE balls were a full 2 psi's below, which is a lot. A second report by Ian Rappaport said only one ball was 2 psi's below, and most of the others were between 1 psi and a "few ticks" below legal. A third report by PFT disputes Rappaport's report and says that most of the balls were about 1 psi below.

    What they're not clear about is how they measured any of the balls pre-game, they didn't explicitly say they used a gauge. There have been no reports of the specific pregame psi levels of either team's balls, which to me says they don't have that or it would have been either leaked or stated by the league.

    I don't believe there are any reports of what temperature it was when the refs measured pre-game, or what temps the rooms were that they were in prior to being submitted to the refs. It's doubtful there are any records of that. A significant diff between the pre-game temps and the outside temps would affect psi.

    I also believe it was stated by the league that there was no noticeable psi diff in any ball between the halftime and post-game tests. This would make sense to me because the balls were cold at halftime and then returned to the cold for the 2nd half.
     
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    How can this fucking investigation possibly be taking this long? It would be nice to get some concrete answers, or at least some confirmed details.
     
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    Why does it matter to you so much? Is it going to change your views? If Wells Report implicates Patriots, it will confirm what you already believe to be true. If Wells report points to no explicit wrong-doing, you'll claim it was a sham investigation and that you still "know" the Pats cheated. So, why do you care how long it takes?
     
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    I would imagine that behind the scenes Kraft is making the NFL jump through hoops to prove its case. And exhibiting the same attitude these trolls on this board are: finding any possible way or concocting tall tales that have almost no percentage chance of being physically possible. And the NFL being the fuckups they are probably don't have all of the precise data Kraft will demand to make a definitive case against them. Its pretty obvious they weren't trying to sting New England. If they were trying to get them everything would have been logged etc giving them no wiggle room to get out of this.
     
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