It's the same defense that killed the Jaguars in the playoffs and would have won the Broncos game were it not for Terrific Tom Brady's interception in the endzone that was returned 102 yards for a touchdown by Champ Bailey. Monty Beisel? Chad Brown? Pioli and Belichicken owe Mangini one, in my book.
What the same Donnie Henderson , whose dtroit Lions defense can't stop anyone? If we have talent on D we will be good, we have a few bright spots, by next season we should be fine.
The D sucked against the run last year and the only reason we had a high rank was teams didn't need to do much on O to beat us. Having a high rank on pass D when teams could run the ball down our throat doesn't mean much. Vilma had a ton of tackles but let's be honest most of those tackles were coming 4 and 5 yards on his side of the line of scrimage. Since Ferg left the team, our run D has suffered.
Donnie Henderson was not the "heart and soul" of our defense, just because he yelled and screamed a few times. While we may have been ranked higher, our defenses never made the big stop. Against SD in 04 we let them drive to miss a FG. Against Pitt they drove to hit a FG. The Jets played a slow tempo game, the defense was never asked to shut a team dowm. Last year teams did not take a lot of chances against us because they knew our offense stunk. Two games in particular against JAX and SD our defense crumbled like a stale cookie in the 4Th Qtr.
The main reason are DEFENSE is chop liver is simple....the 3-4 does not suit our personnel. Mangini can try as hard as he wants but the JETS don't have the nose tackle that other 3-4 teams have that needs to be double teamed. And oh yeah, they have no pass rush in the 3-4 outside of Kerry Rhodes, there safety, of all things. When you have to blitz your safety constantly than you know your defense isn't that good, except if your the Steelers.
sorry RT but you would have had a more convincing argument if Detroits D wasn't so pathetic this year, not to mention our D was equally pathetic last year. Donnie H is as overrated as hey come around here. The reason our D sucks is very simple, we just don't have the personnel to make the 3-4 work, or the 4-3 actually. That is what happens when you are in your first year of a rebuilding project & the first year was used to fix some even bigger holes on O. Our DLine is getting blown 5 yards off the LOS every snap pretty much, doesn't matter wht kind of D you are running when the OL is getting that kind of push. Bottomline is the talent on D needs to be upgraded..
dude that is such bullshit!!!!buffalo game, kc game...and how many other games did we give up points right off the bat....that was a complete bullshit excuse last year and its even smellier and more ridiculous this year...the defense sucked ass......and no it wasnt my first year as a jet fan.....but as usual your posts are off base....
let me get this straight: so it has nothing to do with DeWayne Roberston sucking or not having a pass Rush (no J. Abraham)? If you look at the tape, the Jets played a 4-3 for part of the game against the Jaguars, and well...you know the results.
Our D didn't suck in years past. Part of the problem on D was our DC (Mr Teddy Cottrell) who couldn't make in game adjustments. They did get better then they were in Year 2 but then regressed again a bit in Year 3 though some of that was due to injuries. The D was at it's best under DH. Sure they still had problems getting off the field at times and sure the run defense could've used improvement but DH's D went from basically bottom 10 to top 10 in one year. Last year they had no offense and had Barton and a few others out with injuries. DH also seemed to lack some of his aggressiveness from the prior year too. This year we are experiencing growing pains and while we have a lot of talent on D they may not all be able to work well in this scheme or it will at least take time for them to get comfortable. I don't know much about Sutton but he doesn't seem to be standing out at all with his unit so I could easily see him going except that Mangini may want someone who he can control on that side of the ball since that's his forte.
Are you seriously kidding me???? It wasn't Vilma???? It wasn't Ellis???? Not Abe??? Oh, you're right... I totally forgot that Henderson led the league in tackles last year... and what a transition Henderson made from ILB to DE... and then to the line... ON EVERY PLAY!!! Man! Henderson was all over the field! Someone shoulda tested him for roids!! I mean, the ability for one man to put up ALL those stats!!! Henderson is GOD! Get a clue. If Henderson was coaching the Brown, they wouldn't do sh*t. He was a good coach, but DEFFINATELY not the HEART AND SOLE of our D... Give the players SOME credit! SH*T!
No it didn't, in '01 and '02 they started off slow but the 2nd half of the year there weren't many better D's.
DT Josh Evans and Ferg. LB Mo Lewis and Marvin Jones. Both teams also had true Strong Safties. In spite of that those teams couldn't tackle under Herm.
His old teams were all college teams. His most recent college job was at Army. He coached there for 17 seasons, the last nine as the head coach. He has been with the Jets since 2000. The Jets ran a 3-4 defense that year. They were 13th in points allowed in 2000.
That was one of my main problems with the Edwards era. I don't know how much to pin on the coaching and how much to pin on the players, but they both deserve some of the blame. The 3-4 and 4-3 stuff is overrated. All football theory comes down to blocking and tackling. The team that does the better job of that will usually win the game*. The Jets don't block well and they don't tackle. Hence, they are 2-3. *There are exceptions with turnovers usually being the issue. The following game gets my vote as the strangest game in league history. Houston at Pittsburgh, December 8, 2002. Houston won 24-6. First downs: HOU 3, PIT 24 Total plays: HOU 40, PIT 95 Total net yards: HOU 47, PIT 422 Houston won the game because of three plays- a 40-yard fumble return touchdown by Kenny Wright and 70 and 65-yard interception returns for touchdowns by Aaron Glenn.
this hits the nail on the head. exactly why we are playing it now. the future. isn't that whats it's supposed to be all about. everyone had to of known that this is a rebuilding process. it does not happen over night or one draft.
