Brad Johnson paid a bribe to tamper with footballs at the Super Bowl

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  1. JStokes

    JStokes Well-Known Member

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    Maybe this tampering with the footballs thing DOES work.

    Oh, and Pats fags, don't take this as "everyone does it", take this as "it's a scumbag cheating thing" and "yeah, it really does help".

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...e-to-tamper-with-footballs-at-the-super-bowl/

    Former Buccaneers quarterback Brad Johnson has admitted to paying a bribe to have the footballs tampered with before the 2003 Super Bowl.

    Johnson, whose Buccaneers beat the Raiders at Super Bowl XXXVII, said he paid $7,500 to some people he did not identify so that they would scuff the balls set to be used in the Super Bowl, making them easier to grip. According to Johnson, there were 100 footballs set aside for the game, and the people he bribed tampered with all 100, to Johnson’s specifications.

    I paid some guys off to get the balls right,” Johnson told the Tampa Bay Times. “I went and got all 100 footballs, and they took care of all of them.”

    That’s a shocking admission — Johnson is confessing that he cheated to help his team win the Super Bowl, and that people who work for the NFL accepted a bribe to help one team cheat in the Super Bowl.

    Jon Gruden, who coached the Buccaneers in that Super Bowl, said today on ESPN Radio that he was aware that Johnson was concerned about being able to grip the balls in that game, but Gruden did not say whether he was aware of Johnson breaking the rules to get an advantage.

    Johnson’s comments will be big news this week, as the NFL investigates whether the Patriots violated NFL rules by tampering with the footballs in their AFC Championship Game win over the Colts. There is, however, one key difference: Johnson says he had all of the footballs tampered with, meaning that if the balls were easier for the Buccaneers to throw and catch, they were also easier for the Raiders to throw and catch. The Patriots are accused of deflating only the balls that they used on offense, giving them an edge over the Colts.

    The NFL is already investigating whether the Patriots cheated. Now the NFL should broaden its investigation, find out who Johnson bribed, and make sure nothing like that ever happens again.
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  2. legler82

    legler82 Well-Known Member

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    According to Brunell scuffing up balls is legal deflating them is not.
     
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  3. Poeman

    Poeman Well-Known Member

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    Stokes...Kickers put balls in driers to impact them in any way...However, DEFLATING THESE SHITS is ILLEGAL.
     
  4. JStokes

    JStokes Well-Known Member

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    Now it is. I'm not so sure back then--not since they changed the rules with the K ball.

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  5. JStokes

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    K balls are different than offense balls.

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  6. legler82

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    I thought K balls were for kickers?
     
  7. PickSix

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    Brad Johnson?

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  8. JStokes

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    Football prepping and scuffing is totally legal and expected of each individual QB.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/24/s...ings-footballs-are-months-in-making.html?_r=0

    Eli Manning’s Footballs Are Months in Making


    EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. — When Eli Manning drops back to throw his first pass Sunday against the Dallas Cowboys, the football in his hands will be as familiar as an old friend.

    That is because the ball has been scoured, scrubbed, soaked and seasoned, a breaking-in process that takes months and ensures that every ball used by the Giants in a game will meet Manning’s exact preferences. The leather will have been softened, the grip enhanced and the overall feel painstakingly assessed.

    There are no new balls thrown around in an N.F.L. game. A new ball, despised for its sheen and waxy gloss, is as popular as a late hit.

    For every N.F.L. game, each team has 12 to 20 balls that it has meticulously groomed and prepared according to the needs of its starting quarterback. The balls, brushed and primed using various obvious and semisecret techniques, bear the team logo and are switched out from sideline to sideline depending on which team is on offense.

    That means that from series to series, the ball in play can feel wholly different, but each team’s quarterback always has a ball prepped by his equipment staff the way he likes it.

    Nothing is left to chance. The Giants, for example, have a special set of a dozen pregame practice balls so Manning can warm up with footballs that will feel exactly the same as the game balls, which are inspected and approved by the game officials before play starts.

    In all, there are always about 36 specially marked Eli Manning balls sequestered and protected in four large ball bags. If a coach looking for a ball at practice should unwittingly approach one of the bags, the team’s equipment director, Joe Skiba, will pounce: “Get away, those are Eli’s game balls.”

    Skiba added: “No one is allowed to touch those balls. They’re precious jewels. Too much work has gone into them.”

    When the Giants play away games, the balls are kept in a special trunk, although it is not labeled “Game Balls.” That might lead to sabotage.

    There are all kinds of peculiar rituals and routines before an N.F.L. game — carried out by pregame pad inspectors, the uniform police, sideline communications system overseers — but perhaps no piece of the game within the game receives as much attention as the football.

    In the case of the Giants, preparing the game balls used from September to December begins in summer training camp.

    The Giants will start with six to seven dozen new footballs. Sorting through them, Skiba and his brother, Ed, the assistant equipment director, will give each ball a once-over.

    “I’ll know as soon as I pick up a ball whether it could be a ball that Eli might like some day or whether it’s a ball he’ll never like,” Ed Skiba said.

    The Skibas, who grew up in Paramus, N.J., have been with the Giants since the 1990s, serving myriad quarterbacks. Manning, like most, knows what he wants in a football.

    “I want a brand new ball that feels like it’s 10 years old,” Manning said Wednesday. “You want it to feel like it’s been in your house for 10 years, where you’ve been playing Saturday afternoon games with it for a long time.

    “I want it broken in but it should still have nubs on it. The process has gotten better as we’ve changed some schemes and techniques. We’ve honed in what works.”

    The Skibas explained the Giants’ procedure.

    ■ The new ball is rubbed vigorously for 45 minutes with a dark brush, which removes the wax and darkens the leather.

    ■ Next, a wet towel is used to scour the ball until the ball’s outer surface is soaked through.

    “You’re not done until the ball is waterlogged and water will no longer bead on it,” Ed Skiba said.

    ■ While the ball is wet, it is brushed again.

    ■ Then the ball is taken over to an electric spin wheel, where it undergoes another high-speed scrubbing.

    At this point, the ball is put aside overnight. Then the process is repeated twice over the next couple of days.

    About five days after it was removed from its box, the ball might go into the rotation of footballs used in a Giants practice. The goal is to get the new balls banged around, thrown and dropped in the grass and dirt. The players rough up the ball and sweat on it, which helps the aging.
    In practice, various balls are in varying stages of being broken in — curing like a pigskin — and all the while, the Skibas are feeling the footballs, waiting to see if one might qualify for Manning’s special bag of footballs.

    “You’re always looking for pearls, chasing after the perfect one,” Joe Skiba said. “Meanwhile, every ball Eli is practicing with feels very much like the game balls. So they’re candidates, too. Sometimes he’ll turn around and flip one to me and say, ‘That’s a good one.’ Sometimes, he wants me to throw a ball away, too.

    “And we never let him throw a ball in a game that he hasn’t already thrown in practice and liked.”

    The rate of attrition in the prized collection of game balls is significant. Receivers catch touchdown passes and keep the balls for souvenirs. Balls are intercepted and taken to the opposing sideline. And the system is not perfect. Ball boys are supposed to make sure the balls are properly rotated during changes of possession, but there are glitches.

    When the Giants were at Kansas City earlier this year, safety Antrel Rolle picked off a pass and took the ball to the bench as a souvenir. It had a Giants logo on it. The Chiefs had apparently not substituted their ball when their offense came onto the field. No wonder it was intercepted.

    Manning said he has never gotten the wrong ball in a game.

    “I would know,” he said.

    There are also balls used exclusively by the kickers. By league mandate, these balls can be rubbed and prepped for 45 minutes as the game referees watch before the game.

    The Skibas have nothing to do with those balls. They are too busy hoarding their specially marked Eli footballs.

    “We have people come down from the front office wanting a football to get autographed for a charity,” Joe Skiba said. “And they’ll say, ‘I’ll just take one of the used ones.’ And we’ll say: ‘Are you crazy? Take a new one. The used ones are too valuable.’ ”
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  9. JStokes

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    Yes. Totally new, not monitored for psi, weight, etc.

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  10. PickSix

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    NY POST: ELI LIKES 10 YEAR OLD'S BALLS!
     
  11. Cellar-door

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    Not at the Superbowl, at least at the time of that SB, Johnson made clear they weren't supposed to leave NFL custody, but he bribed someone to get them scuffed up.

    Heating has been illegal for some time, K-balls are now unopened brand new balls shipped directly to the officials.
    Here's an example of a game this year where the ball was illegally heated (for some reason they just gave the teams warnings, when really it is altering the PSI of the ball which is the same issue as the Patriots, except in the opposite direction).
    http://espn.go.com/blog/minnesota-v...of-game-ball-incident-during-panthers-vikings
     
  12. PickSix

    PickSix Well-Known Member

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    Nobody gives a fuck about Brad Johnson or the Buccaneers, send this thread to the shitter already

    Disclaimer: I went to the Buc's last home game this year against NO and had fun
     
  13. JetBlue

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    They didn't leave nfl custody; he simply paid someone who had access to scuff them.
     
  14. PickSix

    PickSix Well-Known Member

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    This is a non-issue. No one likes the SB balls, they add the logo on there and anyone who has ever touched one has complained about how slick they are. Same thing with painting the logo on the field. It's always in a spot where some kicker needs to make a critical field goal, and their footing is compromised by some adornment. These guys play 18-19 games to get to the big game, then the dynamics of the game are altered by decorations.
     
  15. LongIslandBlitz

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    The title of the thread is misleading,He didn't pay a bribe he tipped the ball boy to work in the balls and Rich Gannon the oposing QB knew about it to.They both agreed to do it and plus there was nothing illegal about it ........
     
  16. Jonathan_Vilma

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    He also altered all 100 balls for both he and the opposing quarterback rather than their specified set of balls only for their team to use.

    One has to wonder if Brady and Belichick have been doing this for years which has helped him a bit to remain un-phased in poor conditions throughout the years.
     

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