They both have good players, but you have Winston who shits the bed every so often and barely squeaks out a win, and Mariota who virtually never has a bad game. Winston is 276/422 for 3559 yards with 24 td and 17 ints this year. Mariota is 254/372 for 3783 yards with 38 td and 2 ints this year. Most sites have Oregon listed has having had a harder strength of schedule this year as well.
Have you ever watched a full game of Jameis Winston playing? I don't even need to know what game it was, because the result is all the same. HE WON That's all this kid does on a field is WIN. He's a passionate leader both in the huddle and on the sideline, when he makes a mistake he holds himself accountable for it. He blocks down the field, he runs out of the pocket to pick up extra yards. He makes reads, he adjusts to the schemes, he truly sees the field His fault is trying to make big plays happen when easier plays are there to be made but I'm okay with that. That's not being careless, that's trying to win. First year he awesome had talent and he utilized it to the fullest and went undefeated This year the talent he has on offense is no where near the level he had last year, Rashad Greene is his main target the rest are TRUE freshman, O'Leary has been blanketed all season but when he's open Jameis hits him. even with the defense losing at least 2 players from EVERY position from last year, even with inexperienced WR's who stop running routes early or go the wrong way or simply drop dumb shit, I'm looking at you Bobo Wilson Jameis has ended up...you guessed it, undefeated. Mariota and Jameis are head and shoulders above the rest of the QBs in the draft. I would take either one.
As I posted higher up in the thread, I've watched almost every game that both Winston and Mariota played for their whole college careers. They are both good quarterbacks, obviously, but Mariota is clearly better in virtually every facet of the game. It's absurd that saying that "trying to win" can't be the same as "being careless". I don't think anyone questions Winston (or Mariota's) desire to win. They are both competitors. However, throwing up a ball for grabs because you are "trying to win" is not good football, and Winston is much more prone to that then Mariota. Its why Winston has 17 ints to go with his 24 tds a 62% int/td ratio, and Mariota only has 2 ints to go with his 38 td's, a .05% int/td ratio.
Fuck that! Jay Cutler has over 20 turnovers this year! And that's throwing to the likes of Alshon, B Marsh, and Bennett.
IF you want the hub cap stealin', crab leg liftin, point shavin', on campus rapin', crimiNOLE. Then yes the Raider win hurts our chances at Winston. From day one I am a Bryce Petty fan, and would be thrilled to get him in late 1st, early 2nd.
To state the obvious, the discussion of who is better between Winston or Mariota can quickly become a mute point depending on where we draft. Suffice is to say they both can significantly improve this team if groomed properly. I further believe the question is not who is better but who is most suited to make it in the NFL. Skill level, credibility to be the front spokesman of a team, and the required professional integrity to survive. For Mariota the question is simply can he succeed in the NFL playing under center most of the snaps while curtailing his running, For Wiston the question is not can he play NFL football but rather will he be able to mature enough to play in the NFL or crush under the weight of his own baggage. Different risks with different outcomes. Nonetheless IMHO we should be so lucky as to have the opportunity when we get to the podium to be able to choose amongst the two. I truly believe that, sheer and massive incompetence by our talent and college acquisition team non wistanding, the draft strategy for the first round is pretty straight forward. Option 1- If both QBs are still on the board we better get one with our pick or mass executions should be in order. This is a fact even after we pick up a reliable QB in free agency. Option1 is the only scenario where the discussion of who is better for the Jets has any merit and the Wizards in the front office better do their homework on this. Option 2- only one of the two is available. A no brainier. Pick him and move on unless there is strong evidence that Winston is way too high of a risk and a non starter. And there better be overwhelming evidence to that effect. Option 3- Neither is available, then we should either pick BPA hopefully in the offense or trade down with merit for some more solid draft choices ( riskier unless you have a top knotch draft team) The elephant in the room will continue to be how credible and knowledgeable is our draft team? Will the existing team even be there when the bell rings, or will we have a new HC, and or GM with a new team reconstituted by then? If we don't get the last questions answered promptly, we might have the dubios honor to be refuted by whichever QB selected, preferring to stay out of football than to play for a dysfunctional team.
Mariota has had bad games... His last games to end the season last year he put up a couple very uninspiring games. @ Arizona, home vs. Oregon State.. Stanford's tough D gave him troubles in other years too. He's had a great year this year though. Fantastic year. But- let's not act like he doesn't have better weapons than Winston does or that the Pac 12 plays any defense. Outside of Stanford, who took a step back this year, that conference plays NO defense. A lot of criticism has been directed towards Winston's 3 and 4INT games this season @ Louisville and home vs. Florida. And I am not going to pretend he was great in those games but at the same time those two defenses are better than any Mariota has faced in the last 2 years. They both have a lot of talent but the thing that makes me give the edge to Winston is his ability to read defenses and I think he is more tested/resilient than Mariota. And that's going to be very important in this Jets offense... in NY. With Mariota, I wish he had more completions overall. Anytime I see a QB with not a whole lot of completions but tons and tons of yards and TDs in the college game- like Mariota - it makes me question the defenses and/or think that he must have great players around him.
Winston can read defenses and make the proper checks at the line, Jimbo had to tell Winston to let me call the game! Because Winston is in command of his pro style offense, that makes a living on timing patterns. When was the last time you seen Mariota throw to Wideouts on timing patterns! Uhhhm NEVER! Winston threw a lot of picks because he and his young Wideouts are still working on timing. If he had the same repore with them as Rashard Greene they would have not had so many close games.
I wonder if this will become that South Park episode in which none of the kids wanted to play baseball but were forced to by their parents. Each country's team in the Little League World Series tried to lose. Eventually, the pitchers got so good, they were able to hit the batter's bat to put the ball in play and allow base runners.
Have you watched the Jets offense lately? Percy Harvin is probably shut down for the season. You really think they'll beat the Titans in Nashville?
Yes. I have.. Have you heard him speak? Have you seen what he has done in his college career off of the field? He'd be eaten alive here in NY and with the Jets. Instead of stealing crap legs, he'd steal pizza or something.. He's just a dumbass who obviously doesn't get it. It will get in the way of his NFL career. It's beyond the football. Ryan Leaf had talent. He just didn't have it between the ears. He didn't get it either.... Guess what? he was just released from prison. I'm sick of this franchise being a laughing stock and a punchline. If you take Jameis, you're asking for more torment and suffering... Cuz he isn't a franchise QB .
He absolutely has the talent to be a franchise QB. Also, you don't go undefeated your whole college career up to now by being stupid. Say what you want about Winston off the field (which I won't dispute), he has a high football IQ on the field.
I wouldn't touch Winston with a 10' pole. Way too much risk there. Hopefully we lose enough games to grab Mariota. If not, take Cooper and use some picks to rebuild this OL. Assuming Winston and Mariota are both gone, that probably means Tampa has one of them .... So talk to them about Glennon. I think the kid has the talent to be a starter and I wanted him instead of Geno on draft day.
If anything the only thing the raiders screwed jets out of is Harbaugh. Im sure seeing young Carr do his thing like that to his 9er defense yesterday raised his eye brows. Now if he gets to stay in the bay & piss the 9ers off next year he can do that. Wouldn't matter to me honestly I'm not high on Harbaugh like the rest of the board.
No, you wouldn't be asking for more torment and suffering, because we would finally HAVE A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK. Winston is going to be the next great QB. Mark it down. I'm not saying he doesn't have flaws both on and off the field, but he is by far the best QB in this draft and is going to be the real deal in the NFL.
