What is this fascination with beast WRs? What was the last team to win a Superbowl with a "beast" WR? Seattle won with Tate and Baldwin (and Harvin in for the very last game), Ravens won with Boldin and Torrey Smith and Jacoby Jones, Giants won with Hicks and Cruz, Patriots won 3 with the likes of Troy Brown and other no names, neither Saints nor Packers nor Colts had beast WRs. I think the last one I can think of might be Plaxico Burress with the Steelers, but I am not even sure he would qualify. Mostly beast WRs don't translate into team success, just look at Calvin Johnson, AJ Green, Larry Fitzgerald, Brandon Marshall, Andre Johnson, Terell Owens, Randy Moss, Chris Carter... All of these guys are or were beast WRs and have never won anything, and the only times they come close is when they get put on a team with an elite QB. I am not against elite WRs in principle, but if you draft a WR in 1st round, you are passing up on other, arguably more important, positions, such as QBs, pass rushers, left tackles. So unless the WR is just miles ahead in talent of anybody else available, i think it's much better to go with those other positions. As far as the Jets in 2015, if Harvin plays well the rest of the year and stays healthy, then WR is not a big need. Harvin, Decker, Kerley and Amaro is a heck of a receiving corp. Our needs are QB, LT, possibly OG (depending on how Aboushi and Dozier end the year), 1-2 CB, FS, and LB (depending on what our defensive scheme is next year). QB is by far the most important, then CB, then everything else.
Not something to aspire to. It's not about next year- drafting top 3 and you hope to set yourself up for YEARS. Get the franchise QB at all costs. Screw being 9-7 next year with a retread QB. Or 6-10 with Geno. _
....because Harvin is very injury prone and if he gets hurt, this team is back to square one with having poor receivers. Decker is a poor mans #2 and Kerley is more of a 3 or 4. If Harvin had a good track record of staying healthy would be a different story but har to rely on a guy with that history. We relied on Milliner to stay healthy this year and we all saw how that panned out.
That's why I said if Harvin stays healthy this year. If he does, he will have been healthy in 4 of his 6 NFL seasons, and 9/16 in 5th. So only 1 out of 6 seasons he missed most games. That would be ok, everyone gets injured in the NFL, and if you can play 4 seasons and more than half of a fifth in 6 years, that's not really a huge injury risk. Remember we still need to give Shaq Evans a chance next year, maybe Enunwa, and might sign some cheaper WRs as well. Disagree about Decker. Decker is a very good WR and he has everything, size, speed, route running, hands. He is just underrated now because of our QB issues and how bad the offense has been, but that's got nothing to do with him. If our QBs could actually throw accurately and make reads, he would be having a really good season.
Would you guys quit saying Suck For The Duck. The Duck are in position for the NCAA playoffs. They don't need any bad juju!
Well he's the best UO quarterback UO has ever had. Of course that's not saying much. Mark Helfrich, who recruited Manziel, says he can run any system. One thing the media has wrong is the belief that he's too nice. He's shouts as much as he needs to. Give a good patient coach some time with him and he'll be fine. Give him Rex and he'll end up like Sanchez
Harvin really isn't a WR. He's a playmaker. He thinks he wants to be a WR primarily but every team that has actually looked at his skill set has used him as a playmaker who gets some carries and a lot of swing passes and bubble screens and the occasional deep shot down the field. He was a RB in college who was used extensively as a receiver. That's where his skill set goes and it's a very good skill set. Strictly as a WR Harvin isn't any better than Santonio Holmes, maybe not that good.
This stuff again? Did you watch the last game? Maybe you didn't see the 42 yard reception he had, which came on on an underthrown ball where he had to come back into the CB to catch it. Maybe you didn't see how defenses often double him down the field. Maybe you missed the part where his last 2 seasons in Minnesota he was lining up outside on almost half his snaps. The guy is absolutely a WR and a pretty damn good one when he stays healthy. There is absolutely no reason why he can't be successful going downfield on a regular basis. Of course with a guy of his talents, you do want to use him in different ways, but that's more to catch the defense less prepared and try different things, not because he can't play outside. And P.S. in his prime, Santonio was a pretty good WR, and Harvin brings much more explosiveness in space on top of that.
Not individually but his work has definitely been noticed. The second winters went out is when the jets actually avoided 3 & outs every single drive like usual.
We should go after Mike Iupati, imagine our run game with that beast! If Aboushi proves he can hold down his side and improve as the season goes on that would be a blessing. Thats a top if not THE top free agent lineman in 2015.. i don't think he wants to stay there after his hold out went unanswered. Sign a QB. I say if Vick finishes off the season on a decent note we bring him back to compete ( -_- ) with either Hoyer if he becomes available, Austin Davis, Ryan Mallet, or a rook ( i'd prefer not starting another rookie at this point though). Geno can get cut, let's not sanchez this thing out with him. I'd sign OLB Brooks Reed from Houston.. he's really good in zone coverage and who wouldn't get through a line behind wilkerson? (save the old guy pace jokes). CB.. come on home Mr. Revis. Thats probably a reach but if pats let em go i'd like to at least see us bring him in for a "talk". More realistically i'd LOVE if we brought in my young boy Chris Harris from Denver! Kid is nice and fast! Doesn't get beat often and has a great habit of deflecting passes. Him along with dee milliner and mcdougle next year would be a good up & coming 1,2, & nickel. Safety i'd bring in Patrick Chung to play the SS, let pryor move on over to FS, he needs to roam, he sucks in coverage. RESIGN Wilk, Harris (if we HAVE to which i hope isnt the case), Snacks, Douzable, Kendrick Ellis & Conner. Draft Amari Cooper with the 4th pick. from there we draft OL, HB, QB, MLB, CB, Safety. (in no particular order, which ever is available at the right time for us)
Still with the Polian BS? The game has passed Polian by. He was great once, but he's "old" and not what he was. The idea of keeping Idzik is just as idiotic as the idea some others have of keeping Rex as a DC. You don't fire people from one job then switch them to another. In terms of players, I agree with many of your ideas. The main point of disagreement is the Jets have tried for 40 years to get by with 2nd rate QB types and it hasn't worked. QB is the most important position. If you get a chance to draft a franchise-type QB, you don't eschew taking him in order to upgrade your OL. That's just plain nuts.
Patrick Chung is awful, and besides the JEts already have 2 SSs (Pryor and AA). They need a real FS, not some pseudo FS. Revis isn't coming back. You need to move on.
The reason Bill Polian was run out of Indy is that he was in cruise control and let his idiot son run the show, and that tard fucked things up totally. Bill Polian is not going to GM any team, he is done. Old and retired. But he will certainly try to convince teams to hire Corky Polian to ruin their team. Nobody with a functional cortex should be suggesting Polian.
Chung is decent in the right system.. AA is my dude but if he plays safety like he did the few times he did this year in the future he's gonna be a weak link.. & i already said i know revis probably wont come back then put my realistic pick up after that.. Thanks for your input though
I feel like it's too small a sample to say Aboushi is even an acceptably mediocre player let alone a solid one. Improving over Winters, even assuming he is one, is hardly a satisfactory metric in that regard.
Polian is too old to build a team around but he has forgotten more about how to find stars in the NFL than most GM's will ever know.
I agree. In order to win championships you need to put togther winning season after winning season and you can only do that with a top tier QB. I think one of the Jets problems over the years is that they develop out of sync. They brought Sanchez in to a veteran team so the pressure to win now was great. Once some of those vets left for FA or injury, Sanchez had no one to rely on. Here's what I would do: Get a top collegiate QB and draft him. Move up in the draft if you have to. Clean house. Get rid of almost everyone including our "stars." Yes, even Wilkerson and Richardson. Trade them for high draft picks, even if the draft picks are for the future years. Mangold and Ferguson too, if someone will take them. Let the QB develop at a normal rate taking his lumps in the begining but keep drafting talent to surround him. Let the team form an identity around your QB. That's how you build a winning franchise. Do what the Colts did when Manning and Luck were drafted.
