It's too bad that this is how the Revis/Milliner situation has and always will be viewed. The continual ridiculous demands by Revi$ put the entire organization in a hostage situation, it truly was time to move on. Without quality depth behind him (Cro's physical skills were diminishing and KW is a serviceable slot cb at best) the Jets were forced to draft the best player available at CB. The good news is that we were able to get both cap space and a #1 by trading Revi$ to TB. Will Dee be a bust, we don't know yet but he is not looking like a guy that can't stay on the field. When he is on the field he shows glimpses but is too inconsistent, probably because he can't stay on the field! The Jets needed to sign a guy like Talib to a two year deal with all the cap space provided by the Revi$ departure. They also needed to draft some quality depth guys, not reach on another guy who couldn't stay on the field in college and a guy who couldn't stay on the field in the NFL (Patterson). Lots of reaching for this organization and lots of dice rolling...this is not the way to build. We need some quality "football" guys here that have the ability to build with a clear plan. The only thing that is clear about this regim is that the clearly don't have an idea..,
Interesting, that does make sense. Conventional wisdom has always said that mid 20's is the peak for a sport as physically demanding as football, and while that is younger than peak years of other sports, I always assumed because of the high impact nature of the sport, and that the constant physical beatings the bodies of these players take their toll resulting in a generally early drop off in peak performance. It does make sense however that around 23 would be the peak for explosive type muscle performance, as long as there isn't a significant drop off. The difference can't be that extreme, although the more athleticism has effected impact in the NFL over the years, the younger the average player has become.
Demands were never presented or discussed. The Jets never even tried to negotiate with Revis. I was here for all the discussions, all the reviews of the news. Your take here is a huge overstatement of the issue. Even on the overpayment issue, the factors you mention are relevant. Say you want, really want, a soda with your sandwich for lunch, and have nothing else to drink, not even water. But, lucky you, you already have a soda, and when you go by the foodcart, where the vendor is asking $5 for a can of soda, you laugh, walk on by and drink the soda you already have. Same situation but you have no soda. Not so funny anymore. Do you fork over the $5? Maybe you do.
You don't fork over $5 if you only have $10 and have other mouths to feed. You can get a free bottle of water and cash back from the soda you Sold (better for you btw) and feed others. Would soda be nice, yup.. But but not a nessesity, especially when the cashier try's to up the price of soda every trip. I hate your analogy but whatever... The best move for this organization was to move on from Revi$. The problem is, we have not done a good job with the cap space and picks provided by his departure. That Dosent mean it wasn't the right thing to do and still isn't the right move. Revi$ Dosent make this current team (without Sheldon mind you) any better. And we still have cap issues....
Meh. We are seeing the net result of letting Revis go. and ftr I think they had the money to spend on Revis. Aren't they like over $20 mil under the cap right now? It wasn't an inability to pay Revis that led to his trade. It was that Woody did not want him around anymore. Cut off your nose to spite your face. The net fallout of the Revis trade has been disastrous for the Jets, and tomorrow night we get to see him in a Pats uni while the Jets field a group of cb's that would be camp cuts for a top college program.
Let me just say this - sometimes I hate being right. I really do. It is sickening to watch the Jets implode right now, but I don't think skeptics such as myself feel any better about than the homers must feel. Those who felt the FO wsa right to trade Revis said many things. They said Cb is not such an important position. They said Wilson can help cover for his departure. They said the FO could always sign a decent replacement in FA if they had to. Most of all they said Milliner would replace Revis and be more than adequate doing so. Those supporting the Revis trade were wrong on all those counts. I was right, but am still unhappy about it. Maybe even more so htan the homers, because it shows me what a bunch of clowns are running the team right now. And I bet Ryan agrees with me, too.
The problem with Revis was he had too many hold outs, even one dating back before he came into the league. One holdout is whatever since many players have at least one holdout but when you have multiple holdouts? You start to lose credibility as far as negotiations go and other players on the team see a player holding out and if they win money, it sets a poor precedence to the team that a player can win their way to more cash so easily. Kris Jenkins, a former teammate of Revis who then retired even called Revis out for the holdouts saying he should have developed himself into becoming a team leader. This is speculation but I also wonder if the team had grown tired of Revis and his demands and that they needed to cut ties with him for the better of the team from a morale standpoint. I know Cromartie hated the trade but seeing how much of a circus atmosphere it brought about to the team to deal with during training camp must have been unfair to Revis teammates to have to deal with, specifically back in 2010. They got Sheldon Richardson who is one of the best Jets on the team from the deal with that draft pick but I think what caught everybody off guard was TB cutting Revis since most figured the Bucs would be a good team last season and that dropped the 2nd part of the deal from a 3rd to a 4th round pick and the FO took Saunders who they mistakenly end up cutting. I wonder who or what they get if they keep the 3rd round pick. A case can be made that the Milliner pick was insurance for if they cut Cromartie(Which they did), to have a cornerback with a year under his belt to be there for the team to get away with the cutting cost of Cromartie more so than just a Revis replacement.
See there's what your problem is. No one was expecting Milliner to come here and replace Revis. Revis is one of the best players I have ever seen it's a shame we couldn't work things out. Milliner when healthy is pretty decent, and add that to the fact that the Jets were looking to move their strengths to the front 7. Decisions by Idzik in regards to the players he acquired didn't work out. We all know this team sucks, but the CB position - they may fuck up but they play their asses off and don't give up huge plays all game long.
Trading Revis was a brilliant move. The team was going to be really bad for the next few years (as a result of Tanenbaum's signings getting too old and poor drafts), so we would have paid Revis through the roof just to waste his remaining effective years playing on a bad rebuilding team and ruining our draft positioning. Revis is good enough by himself that with him, our team would've probably finshed with some mediocre record this year, and possibly made the playoffs last year. But if you think we were doing any damage in the playoffs with Geno last year and and that offense, and the rest of the talent level of the team, no. So yeah, if you think being bounced out early in the playoffs last year (just because of the easy schedule and breaks) and being "competitive" this year is the holy grail of football, then you probably wanted Revis back. But if you are interested in really building a good team, trading Revis was the way to go. His age made him useless to us in the long term, his huge salary would set a bad precedent for all the other players, him being gone results in us getting better draft picks, and we got Sheldon Richardson in return, a pretty good young player, on a cheap contract.
I never understand fans that get mad about a player demanding and/or holding out for more money. Why do you care? He's not taking your money. I wonder if these fans get that upset about a player getting cutting after blowing out his knee.
Rubs people the wrong way. Revis was going to make a ton of money in any case (plus the endorsements and all that), the extra was more for his ego, because he wanted to be recognized as the best, highest paid corner. Same with Sherman now. It was the same when the NBA players held out for more money, this kind of thing most people cant associate with, especially during an economic downturn. Purely from a team fan point-of-view, those contracts can be pretty crippling though. Even when QBs ( a more important position than a CB) get mega-contracts, it often hurts their team. Ravens gave Flacco that huge contract after they won the Superbowl, so right away they had to trade Boldin, who was their best WR. They haven't been as good after that. Packers too, won the Superbowl, gave Rodgers a big contract, been bounced out of the playoffs ever since. Seattle better hope they win a few before those Sherman, Thomas and the upcoming Wilson contracts start killing them. Unless of course their unbelievable draft success continues.
jftr, the whole Revis "woulda asked" goes out the window since Woody decided not to answer the phone and Keep millions in his pockets this year...let's see how he spends it next year. That rollover better get spent.
I distinctly recall some here saying that Milliner would be an adequate replacement for Revis. By "replace" neither they meant or I mean be the same as Revis. And THE JETS NEVER EVEN TRIED TO WORK THINGS OUT with Revis.
Heh. This argument blows chunks. The Jets had two first round picks in last year's draft. Which of the two is the better player? If Revis was still on the team, would the Jets still have picked Milliner? The fact that the Jets picked Milliner first is irrelevant. They SHOULD have picked Richardson first because he was the better player. And if Revis was still on the team, they would have since they would not have needed to pick Milliner. And yes the Jets wasted that fourth round pick. Awful deal for the Jets. Enjoy watching Revis blanket Decker tonight and repeat that in a few weeks.
The FO woul dhave looked brilliant if they signed Revis. Fleece Tampa for 1st rounder get Revis back. Now they look like Morons.
Here I sit vacationing in Italy and decided to log in for more disappointing news about the jets. But please folks, I am not here to defend the GM but can some of you please stop blaming him for drafting players he had nothing to do with like the CB position starting with Wilson.
