? It's not excusing a player of his mistakes. Geno has made mistakes; I don't think anyone can deny that. He is not performing well; no one can deny that. If he doesn't fix his mistakes, he won't be around very long. BUT, Is he a problem right now? Yes. Is he the only problem? No. Would he play better if he had more help? Probably. How much better? We don't know. In defending him, no one is saying he'll light the world on fire if given a better opportunity. We are simply saying, without much help, it is much harder to evaluate him or any QB for that matter.
If Geno played on 2000 Ravens, Ravens don't get to the SB. Dilfer didn't throw many TDs that year - 12. But he didn't throw as many picks either. His annual total that year was 11, ending his TD/INT differential at +1. Ravens offense that year ended with about a little less than 2 TDS a game, scoring around 21/game. They had 9 TDs on the ground, and 20 TDs through the air. [And league leading 35 FGs]. If Geno played with that squad, that offense would have sputtered even much more, as then the offense would have to operate in shotgun almost exclusively. A lot more 3-and-outs, and much less FG chances, let alone TD chances. What does this mean? All the help in the world isn't enough for Geno.
It makes it more complicated to evaluate him, but not impossible. He makes too many unforced errors. Does he do so in part, in part, because he generally feels under pressure? Probably so. Does that excuse his inept play? No, it's part of dealing with the position he is in. Does it mean that he would be a good player if he had better support? Probably not - the unforced errors are simply too many to think he could limit them to an acceptable level with better support. In any event no Qb plays with perfect support, so the question of how much better the support would be to make it easy enough to evaluate him is problematic. We have to face the fact that evaluation will proceed under less than perfect conditions. We will not get to see him perform in a context where he is the only variable. The reality is that while there should be no doubt that problems with performance of other players affects his performance, and makes it harder to isolate him as the variable under consideration, the same works the other way to a great extent. For example there is in fact a body of evidence referred to by PFF and others that shows that Smith holds the ball longer than average. If one did not consider that, and thought he was not holding the ball too long, and then saw him getting pressured and make mistakes, one would tend to blame the OL for a big chunk of the bad results. But it's not all one way - Smith is making the OL look worse than they otherwise would, too. That does not mean I think the OL has no problems - of course it has problems. In short I do think there is enough to evaluate about him to determine he sucks.
Maybe its time to do what Bill Belly did with his offensive line and trade Brick/Mangold since we are not going anywhere this year and most likely next year.
Maybe it's just me, but it seems as though the conversation on the o-line unit is limited to; they need to 'get better' or 'talent is lacking and players are getting older'. I see that the line coach is a guy named Mike Devlin, who has been on the staff for around 9 years. I was just wondering, what happened to the days where the line coach was a well known, seasoned 'guru' say like Bill Callahan, and the like. As well, I am curious as to what extent Marty involves himself, versus delegates duties to Devlin, regarding the offensive scheme. It seems a bit uncoordinated to me especially when coaching is universally criticized. Players don't typically fix themselves, but I'm no football coach either...
Have you not been reading the papers? There was an article today, taking Rex to task for defending the last two drafts...which if you are barely literate was a vicious backhand at Idzik.(post I think)
I don't get your point. I didn't say he could lead a team to a Superbowl. I'm just hoping to see average QB play at some point this season.
No you didn't. I just took the extreme outlier with every possible help available, and extrapolated where that would lead to. And what's clear is, even with the best possible help in every spot of the roster, Geno will STILL fail to take the team to the promised land. [That was the point.]
Agreed. I like the idea of drafting either Ogbuehi or Scherff then signing Iupati in FA, he should be a top priority along with extending Wilkerson.
I've been saying this for a while, O line is a HUGE problem. Brick is becoming a brick, age is starting to wear him down. Mangold isn't what he used to be either, definitely need to be grooming his replacement over the next 2 years. Colon is a penalty making machine! This is something that needs to be addressed just as badly as CB & WR.
The only problem here is with a couple of exceptions the younger players obtained so far by the current GM pretty much suck.
Trading Brick and Mangold are definitely moves that I would make in Madden. I'd imagine with their cap hits they would be difficult to trade, but if I could get relatively high draft picks for them, I definitely would. They've been fantastic Jets and I wouldnt mind trying to send them to a place where they might be able to win. Extremely unlikely trade, but fun to think about. How Abushi plays could be huge for us. He's had an opportunity to adjust to the speed of the game and now he's getting his chance. If he could lockdown his spot on the line, that would put the Jets in great shape. We could then move Winters to other spots along the line and see if he offers anything at different positions. Maybe he could play center? I dont know, but if he sucks everywhere, they can let him go. I'd imagine Dozier is taking over for Colon next season or the year after. They can then use the inevitably high draft pick this year on a franchise LT, and you're setting yourself up ok for the future.
Do you not realize how bad Dilfer was before he won the SB with the Ravens? He was by far worse than Geno. Cut it out. Dilfer started 16 games and threw 4 TD's to 18 INT's lol
