In Depth Look at Loss to Detroit

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  1. Falco21

    Falco21 Well-Known Member

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    Found this article on Bleacher Report. Gives good insight as to some of the reasons we lost on Sunday. I love this app:

    "1. Where did the diamond formation go? Part of the reason Ivory piled up 51 yards on nine carries on the Jets' first possession was because the line opened some huge holes for him. Those holes stopped materializing. On their second series, the Jets rolled out the diamond formation that includes all three running backs. The Lions stopped Smith for a one-yard loss, but Fox analyst Daryl Johnston noticed that a look like the diamond would force the Lions to be aware of the read option. "I really think that this is one of the things that kind of gives you some fits," Johnston said. Yet the Jets never went back to it again, even as the offense kept sputtering and stalling.

    2. David Harris in coverage. The raw numbers say Harris, an inside linebacker, got picked on in coverage—six catches on six targets for 88 yards, per Pro Football Focus. But there appeared to be a miscommunication—one of several among the Jets' defenders—between Harris, outside linebacker Calvin Pace, and safety Dawan Landry on Lions receiver Golden Tate's first catch, which went for 35 yards:

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    Later, Tate was in the slot up against on Harris one-on-one, which was a mismatch, especially since Harris was unable to knock Tate off his route. The Jets clearly wanted to play zone to contain Calvin Johnson, but Johnson was ineffective because of an ankle injury. On Lions quarterback Matt Stafford's 16-yard touchdown just before halftime, tight end Eric Ebron again found the middle of the zone, and Stafford was able to put the ball on his back shoulder, away from Harris. The Jets mostly cleaned this up in the second half and didn't leave Harris alone in coverage like that again.

    3. The Jets' receivers didn't get open a lot, but ... With 6:19 left in the second quarter, Smith scrambled into a two-yard sack even though he had wideout Eric Decker wide open over the middle. This All-22 screen grab is a little blurry, but Smith is the player circled on the right, and Decker is the circle on the left:

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    And on the Jets' final offensive play, when Ivory dropped a pass on third-and-two with less than four minutes remaining, he also had Decker open downfield but instead made a quick move to get the ball to Ivory.

    4. The Lions' first killer TD drive. Darryl Slater took a closer look at the Lions' first touchdown on Monday. But at the end of the first half, the Lions needed just five plays and 46 seconds to march 47 yards to extend their lead to 17-3. How? With quick passes—much like the waste-no-time routes and releases the Packers' Aaron Rodgers used two weeks earlier to move 97 yards on the Jets at the end of the first half. Stafford's three quick ones picked up 31 yards. As noted above, he then found Ebron in the middle of the zone for a TD. But here's something else: The Lions began with such good field position because Ryan Quigley's punt only sailed 38 yards. This after Quigley's first four punts covered more than 50 yards. This loss really was a total team effort.

    5. The Lions' second killer TD drive. After the Jets cut the score to 17-10 midway through the third quarter, the Lions started at their own 10 because Jeremy Ross foolishly decided to bring out a kickoff he caught six yards deep in the end zone. And then the Jets gave up three consecutive third-down conversions: First, Tate put an inside-out move on nickel corner Kyle Wilson in single coverage; second, running back Reggie Bush was wide open on a screen/comebacker with blockers in front of him; third, another breakdown in the Jets' zone allowed wideout Ryan Broyles to cross the middle with no one anywhere near him.

    As you can see here, Jets safety Jaiquwan Jarrett—only playing because rookie Calvn Pryor had to leave the game with a thigh injury—stepped toward Broyles as the ball was snapped. But Harris and cornerback Darrin Walls went toward him, too:

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    Harris seems to have Broyles covered here, though he also seems to think he has help from Jarrett:

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    But as Broyles crosses the field, neither Harris nor Jarrett stays with him. And Walls backpedals to go deep, even though Landry is deep down the middle and there's nothing else in front of Walls on his side of the field:

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    Stafford found Broyles wide open for a 21-yard gain. Two plays later, Tate caught a bubble screen,and Walls missed a tackle in the open field. That play went for 16 yards. The Lions then scored on a Stafford run on the first play of the fourth quarter. That put them up two touchdowns. At that point, Geno Smith still hadn't turned the ball over."

    http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/20...from_a_film_review_of_jets_loss_to_lions.html
     
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  2. The 1985er

    The 1985er Well-Known Member

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    We are a bad team right now from the players to the coaches.
     
  3. FJF

    FJF 2018 MVP Joe Namath Award Winner

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    interesting, i was under the impression that it was all geno and vick would fix everything
     
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    How about the 5 straight 3 and outs
     
  5. nyjetsmets89

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    Now this is making me think it's not the talent but the miscommunication in the secondary. These plays could have been prevented. And Decker is seemingly open very often and Geno never sees him. We also saw this on the All-22 of the SB. Manning missed Decker wide open many times simply because he didn't look his way.
     
  6. Umphpool

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    That is the sad truth....
     
  7. Matt4776

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    Blasphemy. Geno is at fault all the time. With Vick in the lineup, we're 5-0 right now.
     
  8. Big Blocker

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    Interesting negatives on Jarrett. I thought he had some good plays, too, but that pass play to Broyles was it sounds like on him, even if it was miscommunication. It is the safety's role in that coverage to keep the receivers in front of him. He didn't do that on that play.

    Now here's the interesting question - why was Jarrett in there? Because Pryor was hurt is part of the answer. But the other part is because Allen was playing Cb.

    In short we can see how the huge sucking sound that is the cb roster was also affecting the safety rotation in the Detroit game.
     
  9. Falco21

    Falco21 Well-Known Member

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    The corner problem is really impacting us harder than most thought because of this exact reason. We have a safety playing corner to supplement the fact that we signed no one in free agency for it.

    This corner issue goes deeper than most think.
     
  10. Falco21

    Falco21 Well-Known Member

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    This article shows that this loss was a joint loss but it also shows that even with all these issues we lost by 7 in this game and every game we've played except Oakland. The difference in these games was 7 points and had Geno Fuckin Smith not turned the ball over so often, it is quite possible we don't lose by 7, but rather win by 7.
     
  11. Chadchrebet

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    People can write all they want about "in depth" looks at the game. But thats the only metric that matters.
     
  12. kevmvp

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    David Harris is massively overpaid. Been saying it for a while. He's an average player at best. He grades out poorly on PFF.
     
  13. Big Blocker

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    I obviously agree here. Pryor is not even playing well and yet we see a drop off with Jarrett in there. Plugging in Allen to play Cb is leaving the safety rotation too thin.

    Even with Pryor back it's a problem since you're not going to leave Landry and Pryor as the only safeties you play all game long.
     
  14. rsmehta

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    This is the last year in his contract.
     
  15. Jetaho

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    We're playing crappy as a team. Red zone offense is poor. 3 and outs. Inconsistent running game. Geno not protecting the ball. On defense, two TOs in 4 games hurts. Only one team (Saints) has less. Our inability to get off the field in third and long. Breakdowns in coverage leading to big plays. On special teams, we've had no blocked kicks and no returns of any significance. Inconsistent punting. Folk is our goddamn MVP! Coaching, we've had poor clock management. The TO debacle. Too many penalties. When you look at it, we've had no business being in all four games. Shit needs to get cleaned up or cleaned out.
     
  16. Falco21

    Falco21 Well-Known Member

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    Yet the worst part is, had we just had half of these, we would likely be undefeated right now. It's sad that this team should have beat Green Bay, Chicago, and Detroit but we didn't because of dumbass mistakes.
     
  17. Professor

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    David Harris is the new Bart Scott
     
  18. 101GangGreen101

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    Hahaha
     
  19. Footballgod214

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    CANT RUN!!!!
     
  20. Greenday4537

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    David Harris is a great ILB. He's a run stuffer though, not a pass coverage kind of guy. And to use him in pass coverage is ridiculously stupid.
     

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