Tackling...

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  1. mezzavo

    mezzavo Well-Known Member

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    Short thread...but my guys at work and I were talking a few weeks back and one of the guys, a Raiders fan, made the point about the Seahawks...when they hit you...you stay tackled. That's one of the things that makes them so good on Defense. All that West Coast crossing/bubble screen crap doesn't really work because when you are hit...you go down.

    I saw that in our game...there wasn't a whole lot of YAC going on. I was very impressed to see guys wrapping as opposed to going for the "big hit." Something to focus in on over the season to see if it remains. Teams like Green Bay & Chicago really rely on the YAC...unlike Detroit that is more vertical. Time will tell but I really like what I'm seeing in that respect. After a few games it will be interesting to pull some stats and see how much YAC opponents are getting.
     
  2. Jay Bizniss

    Jay Bizniss Well-Known Member

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    I agree with you on this one buddy... Our tackling looks superb.. I was especially impressed with Antonio Allen's open field tackling.. That is probably where that safety background really helps.. I am also impressed with how everybody swarms to the ball... A lot of guys in the NFL stop running if the play is going to the opposite side or what not, but it seems like most if not all our guys are playing till the whistle blows.
     
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  3. Br4d

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    Allen, Landry and Pryor were on the field for most of the plays on Sunday. That's a great tackling crew. Walls has made a living as a special teamer and he knows how to tackle. Wilson has always been a decent tackler.

    What we saw on the field on Sunday was the absence of Antonio Cromartie, who for all his ability in coverage was never a particularly good guy at staying with his man and was a terrible tackler at times.
     
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  4. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    Antonio Allen was easily the best tackler for the Jets I have seen in years. Throw away position, he was perfect. His coverage was a little off, but sheeit, those open field tackles before the line for gain? Even my wife was cheering that stuff. Dude has a nose for football, Rex was not lying.

    BUT

    I DO NOT want Antonio Allen playing corner. That would be a waste of a great football player.

    Allen could be the best hybrid player the Jets have ever had. Rex isn't dumb enough to just switch him to CB.
     
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  5. Milliner is your Mommy

    Milliner is your Mommy Well-Known Member

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    Yea I dont like all of the talk about how if he succeeds at CB then he should stay there. Pryor as SS and Allen as our FS would be great. Let him play with the ball in front of him. He's so good at tackling and always seems to be around the action. Hes good at covering but not great. Putting him at corner fulltime to mask a current problem we are having is not good for long term success.
     
  6. Br4d

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    Right now he's the Jets best or second best CB. They have two other decent to good safeties. When Milliner comes back things will change.

    I'm hoping the Jets show Rodgers a solid mix of zone and press and that they don't blitz every other down. I think some of the Jets cover people at the moment have the potential to be very dangerous when they're playing off their man and can see the play develop in front of them. I think Allen and Wilson in particular are likely to be effective in this type of role.
     
  7. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    I've actually switched from your line of thinking to the opposite.

    Allen has shown to be a superior man cover player. He'd definitely be better inside the box than outside. He's already frustrated Gronkdipshit, but he could be better than that.

    Also, I think Rex likes the Big Nickel set, which can use a corner, a safety or a LB. It's a tough formation to use regularly, but with the right player...

    Allen is a really unique player, he's a safety that played the Spur successfully, and now can play corner.

    Holy fuck. The possibilities.
     
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  8. FJF

    FJF 2018 MVP Joe Namath Award Winner

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    now this is a decent sized" if" but, what if allen becomes a legit cb2? i think it's easier to find a safety than a cb. if he is showing he can really play corner. locking down 2's or staying with 1's with safety help i don't see any reason why we should move him back. landry and pryor at safeties and we look for a young replacement next year. don't forget miles on the practice squad right now either
     
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  9. Br4d

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    It is a true fact that Rex lined up Adalius Thomas at CB on more than one occasion. He likes to use people in ways that gets the most out of their ability and totally screws with the QB's head in the process.
     
  10. talisaynon

    talisaynon Well-Known Member

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    Antonio Allen is what Rex and Tanny were hoping and praying Eric Smith would turn out to be. If we had Antonio Allen and Calvin Pryor instead of Eric Smith and Jim Leonard one of those years we definitely would have made the Superbowl.
     
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    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    He also used Adalius at safety, he mentioned it during his talks about Allen, more than once.
     
  12. Milliner is your Mommy

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    Well thats sort of what Im getting at. He can do everything so why make him the number 2 corner. He's a hybrid everything that can move around and the Offense will have no idea what his responsibility is. Some plays have him play corner and others safety or LB. Theres tons of possibilities with Allen which is why I'd hate if they made him play a Milliner/Walls role.
     
  13. Milliner is your Mommy

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    He could still take snaps at corner but I dont think its that easy to find a good FS either. Rex loves versatility and Allen is as versatile as a DB can be which is why I wouldn't want him to strictly play corner. If he plays lights out at corner then that is great and maybe give him more snaps there than all of us previously thought he would get.
     
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    dawinner127 Well-Known Member

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    We are definitely going to be tested this week on if we can tackle Cobb or Nelson in these quick routes. Hopefully we tackle as effectively as we did vs Oakland
     
  15. FJF

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    just noticed this, pryor is the f.s. i don't think they are going to try to change that.
     
  16. Footballgod214

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    If Rex trusts his DBs to turn their head and defend the catch then he'll use press man coverage a lot more.

    If not then he will play his DB off the line, conceding the catch but eliminating any shot at YAC. We saw this a lot on 3rd and long passing downs. Walls and AA lined up at the first down marker keeping the play in front of them and then dropping the hammer the instant the ball got there. They gave up a lot of short-safe completions but zero yac, which a short passing game relies on.
     
  17. JetLifeLo

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    It all starts with the safeties man... If they have to be accounted for, that can change an offenses whole day. Earl Thomas and Kam.. I think we can get that out of Pryor and Allen. Best part about it is we have Landry too, which at anytime can allow Allen or Pryor to roam if all 3 of them are on the field. I prefer Pryor to roam and Allen to lock down that TE or whatever slot option there may be. We're versatile as hell right now i love it. Cant wait til McDougle gets in the mix.. Your days are very numbered Mr. Wilson.
     
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  18. 101GangGreen101

    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

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    Pryor and Allen for the next 7-10 yrs at those safety positions I hope. To think Allen was a 7th round pick!

    Could go down as the best safety tandem ever for the Jets.
     
  19. Jets Esq.

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    I read something about how Rex was confident that Allen was going to be a great player, but somehow also knew that the rest of the league would have very low interest in him. Something about how he then told Tannenbaum that they were going to "steal" him in the 7th round, and it ended up working.

    An interesting/weird thing will be, how do you pay him? As a CB? A safety? A linebacker? If the Jets have him switching between all three roles (or even just between safety and corner) in Rex's hybrid defense, the negotiations could get complicated (like the debate as to whether Graham is a slot receiver or a tight end.)
     
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    Jets should pay him as a safety, his natural position in NFL. Think Antrel Rolle, but a better tackler.
     

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