Mornhinweg's game calling and the wildcat.

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  1. Red Menace

    Red Menace Well-Known Member

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    I laugh everytime I read your post, while very insightful, your disdain for Rex can be read between the lines...:)
     
  2. 74

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    Your so insightful... What tipped you to his disdain ? Couldn't be the subtle use of the word "dumbass" in reference to Rex, could it? ;)
     
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  3. NCJetsfan

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    I've been rooting for this team long before Rex became the HC (since 1964). I didn't stop being a fan when Kotite was the HC, or that moron Herm, or Mangini, or that bastard Parcells, and I'm not leaving because of Rex. If, however, I can do anything about helping to get Rex fired, I will. Your response is ridiculous. You're the one who needs to get a life, getting so upset at my comments. Feel free to ignore my posts in the future or put me on ignore if you so vehemently disagree with me.
     
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  4. NCJetsfan

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    Glad I supplied some laughter for you! :)
     
  5. Footballgod214

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    If the Pats started running a trick play here and there we would suggest, right or wrong, they're doing it b/c Brady has lost it and they can't win without trick plays.

    But if a team, say the Jets, incorporates these kinds of plays routinely into their game plan then it moves beyond 'just a stupid trick play' and it becomes part of our DNA. Part or our identity we actually get good at it, win (in part) with it, and really force every team we play to plan for it.

    If Geno was throwing for 400 yards each week and Ivory/CJ were tacking on 200 more then sure, just keep the train rolling. But until then I see nothing wrong with having a little bit of fun out there.
     
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  6. Royal Tee

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    I like Marty and I like his creativity. But sometimes OC's are like mad scientists who can't wait to call certain plays.
    What I love is that we are finally calling screen plays, and not just to RB's but TE's and WR's!!
    I've been crying for screens for years now..lol

    FTR, The WC was here before Rex was remember? This whole Rex calling some of the O needs to stop.
    Sure, input during the week but come gametime I'm positive he lets Marty happen.

     
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    Have you been pissed off since they fired Pete Carroll? Has there been a coach you liked?
     
  8. legler82

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    Probably just Parcells as like it or not the others since Carroll weren't better than Rex.
     
  9. Pavelboca

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    Agreed. More screens please.
     
  10. Ralebird

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    Kind of doubtful "that bastard Parcells" was a favorite of his; maybe a Charley Winner fan.
     
  11. Royce Parker

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    Holy crap, somebody pass this guy a joint!
     
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    We disagree as much as agree, and I don't hate Rex, being in the middle on him. But I do support your right to dislike the HC and still remain a solid Jet fan. That criticism of you was unfair.
     
  13. Big Blocker

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    Glad you brought that up. Aside from the great run by Ivory, the bursts from Johnson, and some nice catches by Decker and Co. at wideout and TE, perhaps the best thing we saw new out there was calling screen plays that worked. Finally.
     
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    I love the screen pass too. We used to run screens better than anyone in the NFL. Parcells brought that here and Curtis Martin was just deadly at the screen. Even after Curtis though we were known as a screen pass team.

    BUT- the decline in the screen pass here had a lot to do with the quarterback.

    Sanchez couldn't throw a screen pass for the life of him. Thus they stopped calling those plays years ago because of that. Prior to Sanchez, the Mangini era with Pennington and Favre, Schottenheimer actually called a lot of screens. He stopped somewhere around 2009/2010 when Sanchez was tossing screens right to linebackers and defensive lineman. After that we rarely saw screens and when we did they were terrible.

    Morningweg brought it back some with Geno Smith last year but this year we have even better personnel for it. Hopefully that is here to stay. Smith has the accuracy for it and throws a high overhead pass that can find it's way over LBs and DLmen... Chris Johnson was absolutely born to run the screen pass out in space... he's still one of the most effective RBs out there for running the screen. Amaro has screen pass ability with his soft hands and speed after the catch, etc.
     
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  15. Ben Had

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    Using wildcat says a lot about what the coaching staff thinks about the starting QB. The Jets are pretty much the last team using it...hello Tony!
     
  16. slimjasi

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    If I never see the wildcat/whatever cutesy name you wanna give it again, it will be too soon.
     
  17. slimjasi

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    I've heard Rex intimate a number of times that he really likes it. It boggles my mind. The vast majority of plays teams actually run out of the wildcat, end up being runs. NFL defenses know this. So what do they do? They stack the box and usually limit the run to an inconsequential gain. The argument for the wildcat is that it makes the defense have to account for the quarterback as a runner. That's nice, but the defense is generally going to be stacking the line anyway. I'd rather leave my starting quarterback under center (or out of the shotgun) and then run a lot of play-action passes in behind my conventional running game.
     
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  18. NYJFan10

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    Rex got his brains beaten out by the wildcat the first year the Dolphins ran it with Ricky Williams and Ronnie Brown, that's why he's partial to it.
     
  19. Big Blocker

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    My concern here is just because Ryan found it tough to defend the wildcat back then does not make it more effective against opponents than it is, which is not near as much as the Miami success with it was back then. But yes, I agree that is the likely explanation.
     
  20. GreenGreek

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    That's fine, but how does that justify having 2 QBs in the game to run the wildcat? The Fish never did that.
     

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