Secondary Not As Bad As Most Think

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  1. hornblower

    hornblower Well-Known Member

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    I think those media types who are conversant in the language should try to come up with something original to say about the Jet's defensive backfield other than it is in "disarray". You would think with all their training another adjective would emerge. How about dysfunctional, weak, terrible or maybe a little more gentle like inexperienced or young. Maybe once the season starts we can read clumsy, slow, confused. Perhaps they will win some games and it will be surprising or maybe overachieving. All I know is that the Bucs were 0 and 7 with Revis last year. They weren't in disarray back there but lost anyway. Good coaches protect the weak parts of their clubs and give the strong parts the chance to make plays. The Jets are excellent up front, good in the middle. That gives the back guys a real chance to "emerge" as the season goes along.
     
  2. 101GangGreen101

    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

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    I have confidence Walls can get the job done.
     
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  3. jaywayne12

    jaywayne12 Well-Known Member

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    Maybe my memory is wrong but while you look around at preseason and hear the horror stories of flags in the db area, the Jets were not called for many at all. Now that could be because they were no where near the receivers....but your point about Rex changing his philosophy...i hope im not putting words in your mouth...or Rex coming up with a way to combat that instead of what he has relied on...cornerbacks on an Island.

    There are two ways to look at this position listening to Rex. Either the cornerback position is a disaster..as I believe it is and Rex is full of crap saying its perfectly fine...or the Jets will deploy a more cornerback friendly system with more help.

    I still do not get how the hell Idzik went into the season with this backfield...but I need to grow up and move on....doubt it.
     
  4. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    Conversant in what language? They are all journalism majors working for dickhead editors who only care about website hits. There is no reason for them to be insightful or positive in a market that makes the most money off of tabloid headlines and angry blog comments.
     
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  5. MoWilkBeast

    MoWilkBeast Well-Known Member

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    Now don't go spoiling the Idzik never even tried to address the CB position narrative for me. He totally fucked up on this...;)
     
  6. Falco21

    Falco21 Well-Known Member

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    And they did, that's absolutely correct.

    Vontae Davis signed a 4 year $39 million deal, with $20 million guaranteed.

    DRC signed a 5 year $39 million deal, $14 million guaranteed, a $10 million signing bonus and $16 million over the first two years.

    That's way too much money for those two guys. I specifically remember after both of those guys signed, once the numbers were released, many posters on here were very happy Idzik didn't pay that kind of money. Of course, now people are saying he should have because of the current situation, but in all honesty, I am happy as hell he didn't. Vontae Davis got the same money as Sam Shields got, close to $10 million a year. That's insane.
     
  7. Falco21

    Falco21 Well-Known Member

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    Double post.
     
  8. Jetaho

    Jetaho Well-Known Member

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    You're right. I should've said that it was risky to not aggressively pursue and pay other FA CBs. My point is still that we were left dangerously thin at the position going into TC, and with the injuries to McDougle and Milliner, and the release of Flake Patterson, we have put a lot of pressure on our defense. This is especially true when you look at the next five passing attacks we face (GB, Chi, Det, SD, Den, NE). We managed OK with a weak secondary last year due to schemes etc., but besides Pryor, it doesn't seem like we're in a significantly better position than last year. My big fear is that our weakness at CB will lead to less aggressive play-calling on the defensive side, which will lead to less TOs. We were historically pitiful in that department last year.
     
  9. NCJetsfan

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    You have a fair point perhaps that Idzik should have been more aggressive in his pursuit of other FA CBs. I would say that they would have had to have been mid-tier types, however, because the other "big name" FA CBs weren't that good and got more elsewhere than they should have as well.

    With regard to TOs, I think we'd be hard pressed to have less. I saw a statistic a couple of days ago that floored me. The Jets were near the bottom of the NFL in getting TOs. I think out of something like 30 opponent fumble opportunities the Jets only recovered 2 of them. I think to do worse than that you'd have to be trying NOT to get the fumbles. If Pryor stays health, I do believe that he is going to get some interceptions and create some others. I think Allen will as well, whether he is playing at CB or S. Hopefully, once Milliner comes back he will start getting some as well. I know that has been a focus in TC this season and it was on Idzik's mind in the FA DBs and draft prospects he considered. We definitely need to create and get more TOs, and I think we will.
     
  10. jerseyjay14

    jerseyjay14 Well-Known Member

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    our secondary isnt as bad as most think.... its worse. I dont think it is hyperbole to say its the worst secondary in football... or at least the worst set of corners in football. Literally every corner we have is among the worst starters in the league
     
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  11. tfineZ

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    Our corners will be fine. I trust Rex. You don't need "great" corners to Win.....
     
  12. tfineZ

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    We had Revis for 5 years. How many super bowls did we win?
     
  13. Scandal26

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    Yeah but you do need serviceable CB's to win, and right now we don't even have that.
     
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  14. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    are you including Milliner in this statement?
     
  15. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    I understand why people are mad about not signing Revis. He could have made a promising defense into one of the best in the league again. But for how long?

    There's no way he would have been with the team for more than a season or two, and the plan they are going with is building from the draft, and keeping the drafted players for a couple of contracts. Revis would have hurt the long term plans. Not that this FO's plan is guaranteed success, far from it, but the instant gratification of the last FO proved fallible and unfeasible for long term success.

    Yeah, when Tampa dropped Revis, I had about an hour of "HOLY SHIT SIGN THE MOTHERFUCKER ALREADY" moments, but I understand why they didn't do it, and overall I agree with their reasoning, even given our current cornerback conundrum.
     
  16. NYJETS4life24

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    We didn't have an offense that could score points
     
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  17. 94Abraham

    94Abraham Well-Known Member

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    But you need corners who dont suck. The Jets starting 2 corners are laughable until Milliner comes back.
     
  18. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

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    Meh. Believe it or not, the Jets FO is capable of making mistakes, at least in theory. One in a million times, maybe.
     
  19. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

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    Walls looked like crap against Derek Carr and the Raiders. So much for confidence.
     
  20. 101GangGreen101

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    Lmfao so that crazy catch by Jones is why Walls sucks? Get the fuck outta here.

    Walls did his thing yesterday. I knew you were going to post that bullshit
     

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