What if we go 5-11, 6-10 but Geno throws 20+ picks, Vick gets hurt and we get burned badly in the secondary nearly every game? Would we have missed the playoffs 4 years in a row? Yes. Would that be Rex's fault? No. As long as we have our key players on this defense, Rex will always be the right guy to coach them imo. If we get rid of him because Idzik didn't spend enough on corners or our QB's aren't NFL starting caliber I'd hate to see the blame land on Rex.
His employment is based on only one thing... and it's something that no one on this board or in the world (save one person) can predict. Rex Ryan's future is based on the opinion of Woody Johnson. I've come to believe that Woody likes keeping Rex around regardless of media opinion and (almost) regardless of fan opinion. It 'll take quite the poor season to get him fired, IMO. His proclamations may or may not contribute to how Woody perceives Rex, but I'm not sure. Obviously GM Idzik has an opinion as well in regard to Rex, but Woody's decision is what really matters.
Even if he has a poor season, Woody will probably still keep Rex. That tells you how much this franchise doesn't care about winning. It only cares about keeping this old boy network in place. Sad.
Exactly what I've been saying all along. Rex is bulletproof until Woody says otherwise. Idzik might be GM, but does anyone here really think he has the authority and/or cache to fire Rex? Hell, he didn't have a say in keeping Rex so that should be a huge pointer for anybody. As long as the team remains relatively competitive and Rex keeps them on the backpages, Rex has a job. Making the playoffs doesn't even factor in and I highly doubt record does. Just remember Woody is not your average owner and is more PR conscious than most. If you don't believe me, ask Timmy Tebow. For those who want Rex fired, you should live long enough to see it. It would be a new world's record.
Agreed. If the Jets have a poor season and Rex isn't fired, then in my estimation Woody will go back into the same category with Hess, and I will be done with the Jets until either Woody sells the team or dies or Rex is fired. I completely despise Rex. He is an utter and complete buffoon and joke. He hasn't learned a darn thing in 5 years as a HC. He's trading barbs with a rookie from another team. What an embarrassment that dumbass is to the franchise. It totally mystifies me how blind Jets fans can be.
Realistically, the only way I can see the Jets moving on from Rex after this year would be if the season is an utter disaster and Geno plays horribly. If that happens the Jets are most likely sitting somewhere in the top ten with a need at QB. If you wanted to go with an offensive minded HC at that point to help bring the QB along it'd be hard to argue with that.
Actually I think that might save him. The scenario is see Rex getting fired is if Geno clearly improves, but we finish with a losing record and the defense is as bad/worse than last year,
If we move on from Rex Idzik should look at young college coaches who are good at motivating and developing young talent. Idzik will be drafting 2-3-4 rookies every year to START. There are more challenges to coaching a young team than a Veteran team. Things like communicating and being relevant with younger players. Someone the opposite of Parcells, who hated playing rookies and much preferred a veteran team.
Rex won with a decent amount of talent his first 2 years. As the talent dropped so did his success. Bottom line, you cannot win in the NFL without an above average QB that helps more than hurts, Rex has never had that luxury. I think he's a good coach overall, not perfect, but good enough to win with if given the right mix of talent on both sides of the ball. Gotta have patience to see what he can do with a roster assembled by Idzy. When, or if, we get to a point where he clearly has enough talent to win, and he's holding them back, then it's time to move on...
Big difference between the two situations though. Jones keeps Garrett around because he lets Jones make most of the major decisions for the Cowboys in terms of strategy and personnel. Woody Johnson keeps Rex around because he believes that Rex is a very good coach who can keep the Jets motivated and wants to see him with the personnel necessary to get over the top.
Rex is the best coach outside of Parcells the Jets have had since I began watching in the early 80's. Most entertaining by far as well (though Parcells berating reporters is up there).
Purely as a practical matter you don't need to have an offense oriented HC to develop a Qb. A strong OC, and good assistant coaches, should be more than adequate in that regard. In any event I dont see why it would be mostly Ryan's fault if Smith in fact does not become a good Qb. Idzik chose him, and Smith is mostly responsible for his play.
Speaking broadly, I think worse than 7-9 gets Rex fired. Obviously there are other factors that come into play. If they go 6-10 because Wilkerson and Richardson get hurt, than Rex gets a pass. IIf they struggle at CB and get burnt every week, I'm not sure how you can blame that on Rex. But, if the team implodes and doesnt care about the games, than Rex will go. But this team is still building up its talent since the Tanny era, 7-9 wouldnt be a horrible season for the team. QB and OL are still pretty big question marks. QB turnover every four years wont help anything. I imagine watching a team lose for 46 seasons or whatever it is must be rough. In that respect, I can understand where the darksiders are coming from. However, firing a QB and bringing in an entire new staff every three years will accomplish nothing. I mean there are already fans calling for Idzik's head. I think that is incredibly short sited, he needs 3 years at minimum.
Nice post as far as the other factors is concerned. But I don't really know who these people are who are calling for Idzik's head. There are some who are concerned that this GM now only in his second year as such has been making some questionable moves and especially non-moves. I think even the homers should at least be somewhat concerned. It's not like he has a track record of succcess to refer to. But calling for him to be fired? I haven't seen that. Perhaps I have missed it.
Well many people are all over him for not destroying our cap room next year for an average corner. It really was pay a mid level guy superstar money or look at the bottom of the scrap heap for someone who could be serviceable. But it's silly to have question marks in general about a general manager who inherited a team with CFL level talent and judge him on his second year especially when he vows to build through the draft. After resigning Kerley and Mo and others he should still have around $20 million to add impact players. Even if he doesn't spend all of it expect us to add another target for Geno or possibly a big name offensive lineman next year. As far as the building of the team through the draft; it's the exact reason you can't judge the guy right away. Players take more than a year to develop although strides should be made in their progression. We'll see how this roster looks 2-4 years down the road and if it's an utter disaster then people are welcome to call for his head.
No one is currently calling for his head, but Idzik is definitely "on the clock". If the season gets off to a poor start due to bad secondary play, then he is going to hear it for sure.
Nonsense. You are equating raising questions about individual moves or decisions with an overall assessment of someone's general performance. There is nothing wrong with analyzing moves and non-moves. Your premise about the cornerback situation pegs you as an FO Homer, btw. There were a number of moves that could have been made that would not have destroyed the cap situation.
