Absolutely totally different situation. The onside kick was a risk, sure, but it was in the 2nd quarter. There was time to recover, and the "attitude" of the game was not established. This call to not kick a FG was LATE in the 3rd quarter of a 14-14 game, which would have given us a 17-14 lead. We held them to a FG on their next drive. This was a bonehead call. What made it worse is he wanted to go for it, then after a long injury delay, STILL WENT FOR IT!
You can't be mad at mangini. Plus even if we had kicked that FG, it would've been a completely different game from then on.
What lost this game today was the fact that with 2:20 left and NO Timeouts we let the Colts use the sidelines to there advantage with such ease... The first two plays were passes into the flat that each went 10 to 15 yards with the receiver just EASING out of bounds....How about setting A Defense that FORCES the WR's into the middle of the field. All the DB's had to do was set up on the outside shoulders of the WR's and FORCE them inside...Even without a pass rush you have to make Manning complete the pass to the middle of the field...We should have used the middle of the field as or 12th defender..
"Once we crossed the 50 and with the pass I tossed to Justin, I thought, 'Uh-oh ... something good's going to happen,' " Pennington said, adding that the team has practiced the play. that's the key right there, boys. Mangini actually had the Jets PRACTICE for a situation like that... Herm doesn't even know how to prepare his team for a regular 2-minute offense.
Penny's first interception in the Red Zone EVER. Mangini played some decent odds going for it. It was a balls to the wall decision and the kind that earns respect from the players, whether they agree with it or not. Polish up B Smith and Washington and add a few new toys next year and this offense will be fun to watch. Let's give Shotty some props as well, he's not your fathers shottenheimer.
These were the EXACT words that came out of my mouth when Mangini made the call, even though it didn't work out. Not only is it nice to see we finally have a coach with balls but he also clearly has confidence in his team. This was one of the best Jets games I've ever seen. My throat was sore when it was over and I was sitting in my living room! :wink:
bottom line: the D lost the game. regardless of any previous decisions, we had the lead, and all we needed to do is prevent a touchdown. cheers
While I thought we should have taken the FG and the lead, I was not upset with the play call. I'm typically a big propponent of going for it inside the 5. Typically, the worst that happens is you miss and they have the ball backed up on their goal line. If you can get them to go three and out, you're likely to manage a FG after they punt it to you. Occasionally you can manage a safety or a fumble and the rewards are even better. Unfortunately, Penny threw his first ever redzone INT that gave them the ball out on the 20. That makes all the difference in the world.
We had the lead 14-7 so it wouldn't have been our first lead of the game. Also a field goal isn't a win for the Jets in that situation it's a win for the Colts. When you have a long 15 play drive like that and get it down to 3 with three shots to get it in and you don't. You lose momentum. They kick that field goal it's a moral victory for the Colts D because they know as long as they do that their offense will beat you every time. Do you lose more momentum if they stop you on 4th down...of course but if you score you really put it to the the Colts. The one thing you do have a good point about is the yardage. 4th and 3 is a world of difference than 4th and 1. Bottom line is you would all be loving the call if Chad hit Ryan who was open as he was trying to elude the rush.
I actually really liked when Mangini went for it on that play. Think about it, what % of the time do you think Chad gets in from there? 50%? I'd say probably more, considering his yearly completion % is in the high 60's and how rarely completed passes go for less than 3 yards (and that number includes low percentage throws downfield). Anyways, for arguments sake we'll say 50%. That means in 100 tries they are going to score an average of 3.5 points. Compare that to 100 kicks? Say Nugent makes it 95% of the time. On 100 tries that averages to like 2.8 points. AND if it fails you are going to be giving the opp. the ball on their own 3, versus kicking it off and potentially having the returner bring it out to the 40 or even run it back. The colts scored 17 points after that failed attempt. It was the smart play.
The mangini decision was one of the most idiotic decisions I have ever seen a coach make. We have had alot of bas coaches but I cannot remember a HC making a decision even as close to as bad as that one. We have 1st and G at the 7 and we run 3 times! then we LOST yardage on 3rd down and we go on 4th? It was TIED late in the 3rd, poitns are critical. there's daring, there's gutsy and then there's just plain stupid. That call falls into the stupid category and ti cost us a chance to win a game along w/ wasting 2 critical Time Outs. We actually burned a TO on that sequence where we went on 4th and 3 then we burned one on D when indy scored. Even from the 2 w/ the screwed up KOR w/ we would have had time to get into FG range if we didn't blow those 2 TOs. AWFUL, AWFUL decision by mangini- I hope he learns from it.
What does Herm have to do w/ anything? Why must he be brought up every week? Herm wouldn't have been dumb enough to go for it on 4th and G from the 3 in a tie ballgame.
actually Dino, that was the first thing I said to my wife as she started celebrating the touchdown, When the Colts got inside the 5, I told her that the Jets should not mess around and make a semi-defensive stand only to let them score after another minute ran off the clock. The defense didn't, they folded quite easily. :smile: I figured then, that we had the final 2 minutes + to drive down the field, eating up the clock so as to not let the Colts offense have a chance since they had no timeouts. The last thing I thought we needed to do there was run back the kickoff 103 yds for a touchdown, thus putting our defense back on the field. :shit:
All sounds good to me. I am proud of the way we played 100% football to the last picosecond of the game. We went down kicking, scratching, and clawing like a caged animal. The Colts won, but they will tell you that they were in one hell of a fight.
Not that I disagree with a few of you about going for the Field Goal there, but how are you to know that the Colts wouldn't have come out and ran back a touchdown there? The talk by the announcers and talk by the fans is all screwed up. The game COULD have been tied up, but it also COULD have been 24-17 after one run back.
what ever you feel about the call, if Chad throws a TD instead of a pick, all you against it would be singing a different tune.
