If Rex's teams had a track record for being undisciplined and getting lots of personal fouls on the field, then it would be problematic. But that's rarely been a problem. Last year was probably the Jets' worst penalty year under Rex, and it was still around league average.
Come on Bradway, let's not act like Brees was a HOF that Payton was fortunate to latch onto. He had some success in SD sure but he wasn't a hot commodity and Payton has done a great job with his development and getting the most out of him. Payton is great at developing QBs, that's one reason why he's a great HC. Same scenario and Rex Ryan is the HC of the Saints at the time and there's no way Brees goes on to have the success he has had. He might very well be out of the league by now.
It's funny...nobody was complaining week 1 when Colon got in a scuffle w/ a Colt player & the Colt player got the flag. I mentioned in another thread that although they need to tone it down...It's been 2 weeks in a row now where the team came out very flat & almost as soon as the enforcers on the OL started getting chippy the team responded & basically took over the game. It's preseason so maybe it's mere coincidence. But if this sets the tone for the team & troggers them to play physical & fight as a team,I'm all for a penalty laiden scuffle now & then. Jets seem to have developed an "us against the world" mentality. For a team that quite often is mocked by opposing players & media, who never seems to catch a break from the officials...I'm all for the "F everybody" attitude. Now if we start losing games due to stalled drives & field position associated w/ the penalties..I might change my tune. But for the time being...it seems to be effective in settling down the team
That's a fair point but last year they did struggle with discipline. They might have been around the league average for penalties overall but they had many of the stupid penalties vs. the tough penalties. A lot of "unforced errors" if you will last season : offsides, delay of game, unsportsmanlike, personal foul, etc. They were better in his early years here yes.
NO took a huge risk signing Brees to the deal they did. Some doctors thought Brees was unlikely to recover his arm strength after the surgery. We're just lucky the Fins didn't grab him. The deal was 6 years/$60M and included $10M guaranteed the first year and a $12M option bonus due early in 2007 that would have made Brees an unrestricted free agent if declined by the Saints.
To be fair, I doubt he has the same career path had he signed in Miami as well. Payton worked wonders for his career. Great Combo they have there.
Exactly. Obviously as a Phins fan I get a little perturbed when people use revisionist history and act like Brees was a lock to be the Brees we see today. If he had been, it would have been about 28 teams after him instead of just us and the Saints. In fact, the way I remember it most people said Culpepper was the better choice. But I digress lol
Colon needs to settle down. Between his stupid aggressiveness and his holding problems he is becoming a penalty machine.
He could have been Dan Marino part II in Miami, which is a team that has looked for Dan Marino's successor for 15 years now. Mike Mularkey was the Fins OC in 2006. If he'd had Brees he might well be their head coach now.
Miami is an easy place to throw in. The humidity gives less resistance to throws and the ball gets there quicker than it would in normal conditions and with less downward pull over time. A significant factor in the drop of a thrown object (or a batted ball or just about anything) is the weight of the air above it pressing down on it. It's not a determinative factor, those being velocity, gravity and the angle of the throw, but it is a factor in the overall equation. Brees would have had a field day there. It's actually something of mystery why Miami has not been able to find a very good QB since Marino retired.
1. Rex DOES have a superbowl ring. 2. So because Rex doesn't get angry about it in the press conference, he's automatically not holding guys accountable or working on it in practice? That's a hefty assumption. Tis the norm with Rex Ryan myths. 3. The team is looking miles better than it did last preseason.
Ok now I know you are full of shit haha. Breaking down the humidity and the weight of the air as if it is really relevant to the conversation? Really? I bet you were good in college at bullshitting your way through papers
You're kidding with this right? Until you find me a study finding this to be significant in the relatively short distance a football travels this seems like total bs jock-science lol. I'm sure the science is right but it's effect on football...ehh...this is the first I've heard of it. You start off with "Miami is an easy place to throw in" and then end by saying the bs you just said isn't a determinative factor...well which is it?
hahah dude, that's a bit over the top......Im gonna go out on a limb here and say playing INDOORS is a bigger advantage than outdoors with humidity hahahaha. AND who cares about Drew Brees in this thread. The point was the difference between the two coaches in how they react to undisciplined play, whether it be in the media or behind closed doors.
Sorry, Rex loves sounding off and being one of the guys, maybe less so since Idzik arrived. The fights with the Bengals showcases a bad side to the public IMO and the Coach should be public in his criticism of it. Just no class shown here. When Rex first came on board, the fact that the players liked him as "a players coach" was something I initially liked especially when they were winning games for him. Perhaps no one would care about Ryan's approach if the team continued to make playoffs. Now we see how the undisciplined approach is playing out and really not working. Tom C. , Bill B. are godawful cranks and disciplinarians but their teams make it to the SB.
I said a couple of weeks ago that one of the variable wildcards this season that can affect Rex's future with the team is whether he loses control of it. It's a risk, as we might be seeing. He can still get control back, though.
Rex always been that way i never seen him get pissed at the team for fighting or anything. He's an old school type coach he wants his players to have each others back. Rex loves that kinda shit. Its annoying honestly at first i liked it but theres a point where it starts to hurt the team... and then some of them penalties came from winters.. he shouldnt be doing anything like that and getting away with it... he barely even deserves to start. We all know colon is like that in week 1 he even hit our own guy lol. I'd like to think tis was just some preseason shit with the players so they werent taking it as seriously and really wanted to rough the bengals up after the beat down last year. Knowing rex.. he gave em the okay to do it lol.
2013- 108 penalties 2012- 83 penalties 2011- 102 penalties 2010-115 penalties 2009- 108 penalties Source: http://www.nflpenalties.com/team/new-york-jets?&year=2009 With the exception of the 6-10 season in which referees only gave us 18 penalties in 5 games after the Buttfumble game, we have been a very penalized team. That falls on Rex.
