Idzik should make some sort of move for a veteran CB with experience in man to man coverage. Not saying they need to break the bank or trade away the farm but there are a lot of young guys trying to figure the position out right now and with Patterson hurt they could use a rugged, savvy vet that at the very least could teach these some of the tricks of the trade, how to keep your head on a swivel, how to have a short memory, etc. At the most the veteran could be counted on as an adequate fill in.
Wins and losses preseason proves nothing, sure, but it can be indicative of how the team will look once the season starts (at least with the starters on the field). What I am saying is that it shows a lot as far as team weaknesses/strengths and how the team will win or lose games over the course of the season. The last 2-3 years the offenses have looked horrible in the passing game in preseason for example. A lot of people said well it's just preseason, but the passing game turned out to be horrible, the achilles heel... preseason was actually a great indication of where the team would struggle all year in that regard. That being said the passing game has looked a lot better this preseason. That is very encouraging. The pass defense? not so much. Now obviously I expect some improvement over the course of the season, but I also expect that the pass defense will be a weakness all year.
Well, you gotta realize that neither Milliner nor Pryor played against Dalton on Saturday, and the corners were Allen, for whom it was the first game ever at cornerback and Lankster, who is not gonna be the starting corner during regular season. So as long as the injuries aren't that serious, the secondary should improve. And Allen might very well improve with experience. And this was vanilla defense, without any schemes Rex is known for, and the front seven didn't really look very engaged for the preseason game.
Millner would not have had much more success against AJ Green than AA did. Don't be surprised if Lankster starts multiple times this year, as Patterson is a walking band aid. We also have no clue how Pryor does in coverage as we have not seen him in that role at all. Lots of questions marks that hopefully will be answered Friday in the Snoopy Bowl.
Dead on...good post. To take preseason as an end all is foolish. To just throw out weaknesses with "its just preseason" is just as foolish. I always get nervous when Rex starts postgame comments with things like "and what did you guys grade Pryor? Yeah..we got that right..and the db's? We will be proven right with them too". Rex started that defense of Milliner last year after week one and it took 12 weeks for Rex to maybe be proven right. The secondary scares me. When you start using Dixons and Walls as what ifs, its a bleak picture...but a picture I really believe they will fix before week one. Something will be delivered to this team via cut or trade. There is no way they are going into this season with the current players at that position. You are risking the signing of Decker...the signing of Johnson..the progression of Geno...the d line which could come out of this season as one of the best in the NFL...a solid running game..and maybe a playoff spot because we got cute with every available DB..even the B ones. That position could keep this team with a no better then 8-8 record...and that would be a real shame to all the positives I think will take place this year. Its not a panic statement..or throwing away the season to state the obvious...the Jets did a poor job taking care of a known weakness everyone saw months ago. Not overreacting...not killing Idizk...its one mistake at a crucial position..and it needs to be fixed this year. I don't care that because many here think they are not going to the Superbowl this year, it can wait till next year. When you have a defense that can be as special as this one COULD be...you don't leave a glaring weakness out there...and Im sure Idzik will pick up at least a b- guy.
I missed the beginning of the game, but wasnt Wilson playing on the outside? If so, that probably wont happen during the regular season. While is absolute garabge on the outside, he has proven to be a serviceable Nickel Back. I imagine thats where he will remain. Antonio Allen will not be covering AJ Green in the regular season. The Jets were experimenting with him because its the preseason. He will probably be the #2/3 safety come week 1. And if by some chance they are still trying him at CB, it wont be covering the second best WR in football. I'm not saying to be optimistic about the secondary, since I'm nervous about it as well. We shouldnt be using Antonio Allen and Kyle Wilson (playing outside) as the reason why.
Yes, I think he picks up a b-guy as well before the season in one way or another. I am surprised he hasn't done so yet
By this point don't you fear that, barring a trade which imo is very unlikely, getting someone else would probably mean a pre-season cut. By this point what are the odds a pure roster/salary move is behind such a cut compared to someone who is disappointing in pre-season, and gets cut because they are not playing well? I'm not saying that someone good might not become available. I just have a hard time seeing the Jets getting someone who can start coming out of a pre-season cut right now. Add in that the Jets are less than three weeks from Opening Day, and mixing in a new guy into Rex's D becomes more problematic. the closer it gets. And also add in that Idzik is likely to want to see if Milliner comes back and someone else emergers as capable. It's just his style. Even if the odds are getting longer.
Is Adam Schefter a Jets fan? I feel like he's always defending the Jets in his interviews. Right now, he's on ESPN Radio, and they're discussing the Secondary.
Milliner, will be back; if not by week 1; surly by week 2. Plenty of capable players on the other side. It's just not that serious, relax. Other teams in the NFL are lucky their players won't/don't ever get injured. We are the only team that will incur injuries this season. Trying to remember a lousy Rex Ryan defense...
I can remember a few Rex defenses that lacked areas that killed us. The first 3 years, the Jets had no pass rush to speak of. None...and still we had a good defense but nothing close to a great defense. It was a defense that bend but didnt break until the 4th quarter...or when a team needed a drive and almost always got one. I dont think Rex has had a great superior defense since he has been here. I think Rex has made some of them much better then what they were...and I give him credit for that. This year...after a great 1st year of showing finally..the first time in almost a decade that we could have a pass rush, they just might tie his hands again by failing to have a secondary. With all due respect JV, I do not see the "plenty of capable players" you see on that side of the ball. Now...where I will agree with the fact that you can get away with that is you look at the last 2 Giant Super Bowl teams that had a decent secondary...but won by having an incredible pass rush. That can hide the weaknesses. I just do not see the talent besides Pryor in the secondary at all. Only Milliner has shown bright spots and that was for 4 games at the end of the year.
Last season the secondary was the exact same players, add cromartie; 8 wins. A few tight losses, a couple of blowouts. Secondary may be a weakness, and it may be perfectly fine. Way too early to know for sure. Rex, has remained consistent on the defensive side of the ball; fielding some of the leagues strongest year in-year out.
Im not disagreeing with you JV..if anything, Im sticking up for Rex here and saying that the front office has never ever given him the proper tools to make this team a legit top 3 defensive team in the NFL. Most of the success he has had has been via his brain. Imagine if you left him with no holes and if every position was filled by B plus players or better. That is the chance we had this year...and the front office has left him with a D secondary. And yeah...the secondary is the same as last year and in a league of passing, its not nearly good enough. Bottom line is the front office...the fans..the world saw this as a major weakness this year for the Jets. All off season, they either failed to call or lost out on B dbacks. Not 50 million guys. When you know its a weakness, you could have traded draft day with all the picks we had and wasted on receivers that will not even play this year or give little. They had a chance to make this defense finally complete and now that we have one of the best lines in the league our secondary was only upgraded by a first round pick who will be a very very good one. They added nothing to our db's. Great teams are not built by genius coaches and average players...never been the case. Its built on a great mind like Rex and a solid 11..not a superstar 11 but a very solid 11....and they are 2 or 3 short back there right now...4 if you count the nickle.
Better to be positive and hopeful!! But we need to solve some glaring problems that JayBiz has pointed out but you are denying: for starters who is that NFL caliber QB? Geno? Or maybe Vick; Geno does play with a lot of character and he study's hard before games, true; our running game in fact is IMO the only reliable weapon for us unless Geno plays at a high level against 1st string pass defenders. Geno will improve somewhat and I will try to stay more hopeful and optimistic , for sure,. But don't put your head in the sand and say the defensive secondary is a nonissue
There's like 9 ppl in the Jets org that would have to be dead before Revis ever sets foot here again.
Actually I think it's the opposite. Starters (vets) play very uninspired. Don't get injured is their #1 effort. So we see very little in the way of reality when the starters are out there......it's more like the pro-bowl. But the 2nd unit, and especially the 3rd, are playing for their lives and give 200% on every snap. Preseason games tell you a lot more about your depth than anything about your starters, especially when coaches don't even try to game plan.
I totally agree with this. Years past, the 2nd and 3rd teams that we fielded were an embarrassment and have dominated the preseason so far and that is very very good. As far as the first unit, would agree too. There has been very little pressure put on the number 1 qb by are starters on the d line and that will not be the case come game 1. That turning on the switch might even help the secondary...at least thats what Im hoping for. Good points.
Drayton Florence was just cut by the Lions after 12 days. Anyone know if he would be worth a look? http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/nfl/631/drayton-florence 33-year-old journeyman Florence had something of a renaissance 2013 season, grading out as Pro Football Focus' No. 22 corner among 110 qualifiers. He was obviously helped by Carolina's dominant defensive front seven, though. Florence should generate free-agent interest as an experienced nickel or dime back.
