he's being honest. belichick probably doesn't care. Revis is gonna play hard for them. if you're still bitter about the TC holdouts and think he's selfish for trying to get what he thinks he's worth, i guess you can see it that way. in the NFL owners have all the leverage with non-guaranteed contracts and salaries -- even for superstars -- that pale in comparison to what mediocre players in other sports earn. the only leverage a star player in his prime in the NFL has is to withhold his services. personally, i blame Idzik / woody for being stubborn and prideful. and no offense to our DBs, but because of that we have to face a murderer's row of QB's this year with Dee ("best corner in the game") Milliner, a decent 30+ but always-injured journeyman (Patterson), Darrin Walls, and a bunch of question marks.... Mangold, Ferguson, and Harris aren't getting any younger. You always try to be competitive every year, and you never know what can happen. Let's assume Idzik locks up Mo Wilk, Sheldon, and 1 or 2 other guys he cares enough about (Austin Howard apparently wasn't good enough to fall in this category) moving forward. Revis is basically on a 1-year deal with NE. We have tons of unused cap space this year, so Idzik is gonna have all this cap space to roll over. But he'll face the possibility that there is nobody really worth paying big money to next offseason, and yet, because teams are required to spend like 90% of their cap space over a 3-year period, he'll end up having to overpay for FA guys like Mike Wallace, Greg Jennings, etc. eventually.... Even if we land (or by some miracle, draft) a true #1 WR, by the time Idzik pulls it off, our core guys from the Mangini era will be over the hill or retired.
Yep. This is why I don't feel so good about this waiting for 15 scenario. Among core players like Mangold, Ferguson and Harris, guys you really don't want to have to replace with so many other needs still at issue, it becomes increasingly more difficult to count on them. Odds are one or more of these three will begin to tail off more notably by the end of next year. When the Jets got Vick they got a Qb capable of making noise in the playoffs. Yet the Jets right now are scary thin in the defensive backfield, and still have some question marks on O. It's a concern that they did not do more this off season, when just a couple of more pieces could have made them a contender.
What more do you think this FO had to do over this off-season? Any FA acquisition in mind? [Know that, I am against that idea.]
I hear ya. But I was referring to last year when we traded him vs paying him $16M, and got a lot of those group b players for the same amount. Actually my post wasn't necessarily about Revis. It was more just to show how much talent a team can acquire and spread around for what just one of these high priced players are asking for (and getting).
Speaking as a Pats fan it's very weird still to have Revis in NE, and doesn't quite feel "right" yet. Maybe it'll take a little time and I'll have to see him in a game or two for it to seem normal. This story, assuming it's all accurate, kind of fortifies that point a little. Revis was the face of a very good Jets defense in those 2009/2010 seasons. Still weird for me seeing him in the blue practice jersey and silver helmet.
I want to add the caveat here that it is possible the Patterson signing may prove to be adequate for that key position. Pryor's concussion is a cause for concern. Here's the guy that all have been talking about being a fearsom hitter, an enforcer, and his first week of practice, not even in a game, in the NFL he gets a concussion. But assuming Pryor is effective as hoped, and Patterson can avoid injury and play well enough, that could be huge. Imo a key to the season will be whether the Jets' secondary can avoid being shelled by al those passing attacks they will be facing, so there's that. Also left unclear is whether the Jets will have adequate receivers. It sounds like Amaro is going to take time to learn the O, as is reasonable. I also like Nelson. But more as four than a starter outside, Kerley being the 3. We also have concerns on the OL, and in effect are counting on the LB's to be somewhat better - I hope they will be, especially Davis and Coples.
Woody didn't make the decision to get Tebow. Tannebaum already admitted that is was his decision. People just assume things, and after it gets repeated enough times they consider it to be true, kind of like the whole "Rex only stays loyal to vets" mantra. There isn't a shred of reality in it but fans keep saying it. Woody is an owner. He isn't a shadow government. Idzik is the GM and the decisions are up to him.
OK. So you can't find any article that says the Jets were Revis only choice or that money was no object. That's fine. The only line that even says the Jets were his first choice was from "sources" not necessarily Revis himself. I'm pretty sure that if Revis had told the Jets that money was no object when his people contacted the Jets, they more than likely would have shown some interest.
Please explain why, then, because I'm not seeing it. If we had signed him to a one year deal this year and elected not to re-sign him for next year, how would it impact our CAP and ensuing ability to retain all the desired personnel next season?
Oh hey, we found another person who doesn't realize Richard Sherman made $1.4 million last year and that he makes $1.4 million this year.
He just signed a multi year deal that averages about 14 million a year and they don't have a HOF QB (yet). There's more than 1 way to skin a cat, just sayin. Nobody's saying they aren't contenders anymore. Saying that teams with high paid corners are going to struggle to win a title, simply isn't true.
Exactly. If you are not preparing for and expecting to win, you are almost assured of losing. It seems like almost every season in the NFL, at least one or more teams undergoes a profound turnaround and/or reversal of fortune. KC is a recent example that comes to mind where they went from 4-12 in 2009 and then 10-6 in 2010. After collapsing to 2-14 in 2012 they rebounded last year to 11-6. On the flip side, the Texans went from being 12-4 in 2012 and nut yanked into the tank by going 2-14 last year. ANYTHING can happen in this league and there is often such a fine line that separates winners from losers. One of my favorite things about Ryan as a coach has been his ability in the past to get his players to overachieve as whole (particularly from the defensive side of the ball) where during his playoff years, the team as a whole was considerably greater than the sum of its' parts. Anyway, I truly believe we are only a couple of pieces short of being a legitimate Superbowl contender. I expect at least 9 wins from this team but if our top stalwart veteran players remain constant and guys like Smith, Pryor, CJ , Coples fulfill our best expectations and hopes, the sky is the limit. I am concerned about the offensive line and I would have liked to see us land another proven wideout with deep speed but the point I'm taking WAY too long to make is that when you already have as solid a roster foundation like we do now (and plenty of money available to spend) we damn well should be adopting a win now strategy just so long as we don't wipe ourselves out financially for the future in the process of doing so. I'm sure the FO and CS are waiting to see if any of our rookies have a shot of making meaningful contributions, whether Hill will finally blossom end up cream of the crap and will continuously monitor the free agency and trade markets for potential worthwhile acquisition opportunities.
Great. Get back to me when the Seahawks are paying Sherman $14 million/yr and winning a Super Bowl. The earliest that will be is 2015 because right now he counts $1.4 million against their cap ... just like last year.
My point was that you can have high paid corners and still be successful. When the Cowboys paid Sanders, he was making very high money for a CB at the time and they won a title. Obviously it's low by today's standards, but there is way more money today in the NFL. It depends on the team as whole. If the pieces are there, it doesn't really matter that you paid a corner over a linebacker or a d linesman. If the Seakhawks aren't contenders in 2015 without major injuries, I'll be shocked out of my mind. Also don't forget that Sherman making low money this year only means that he'll be making even more than $14m over the next few years.
you can't possibly be this dense. They just gave Sherman a 56M contract, and a 10.7M signing bonus. They've already paid him that 10.7M! It's in his pocket. They are only alloting around 3.7M to this years cap, which is irrelevant to the fact they've already paid him. You don't have much grasp as to how players are paid based on their contracts, or what the cap hits actually are. so please just stop saying they are 'only paying him 1.4M'. it's simply incorrect.
you pretty much nailed it here. Outside of Geno improving, the secondary and the Oline will determine how well we do this season. They have a shot at pulling it off with what we have, but with so many unknowns, its reasonably concerning. Good points on Davis and Coples too. A big step forward by those two would invigorate our D.
The 16M that Jets would've paid Revis this year would be 16M less that they could roll over into the next year. This makes $$ chest smaller thus lessening their ability to resign players currently on the roster.
