Brady and Geno have good QBR's for entirely different reasons. AND Brady has way better hair than Geno.
No...of the 64 QB ratings for the AFCE last season (4 QBs x 16 games each), Geno had 5 of the top 11. But as the darksiders have pointed out (whenever there's something positive), QB ratings are a worthless stat that mean nothing.
Passer ratings make sense. QBR is basically an invention of BSPN, and they have never actually explained the entire formula for how they get their results. That, combined with the fact that BSPN is a planet of faggotry, makes the stat suspect at best. If and when Geno actually compiles stats that we can confirm are legitimate and positive, I will be the first to use it to defend him.
You're right boss...and I like your BSPN!. If Cimini wrote and article penciling Geno in as the worst QB in the league and used QBR to support his claim the darksiders here on TGG would be all over it (with glee). But when QBR is used as a positive it's 'just a worthless stat'. This ain't on you (you tend to be one of the better posters at staying objective). It's Champ and his minions that can't wait to run every thread into the ground with negativism b/c we ain't won the big one in 600 years. /rant
When our QB turned the ball over 27 times and avg'd 6 receptions for 30 yards per game we gotta find SOMETHING positive to talk about.
Get the fuck outta here dude. Cimini is bashed on the regular for his shit and nobody that posted in here is a minion of champ or even in a nearby zip code mentally. In fact we've been blasting him hard. You made a thread based on a stupid ass stat, that's it.
Would you like some Astroglide with your Geno Dick? The fact that you think people are eager to trash this kid for the sake of trashing him is fucking ludicrous. Cimini would end up making everyone on this forum to support Geno if he made the effort to trash him that badly. Bend down your raging hardon for this kid until he actually DOES SOMETHING. I know you're fascinated with making stupid football posts, but dude, you seem serious about this. And so far, you're wrong.
No QBR has routinely been bashed on here since it came out. It did a questionable job and on top of that there seems to be no way to calculate to see why is driving or holding back certain games and QBs. If someone wrote an article bashing Geno using QBR, everyone would agree Geno struggled last year but QBR is a terrible way to show it.
Passer rating and total QBR are completely separate things. Passer rating is valid, but QBR factors in game winning drives and comebacks much heavier, so a QB could play an average game and have a game winning drive and the QBR goes through the roof. Geno had quite a few of those last year. He also had some downright terrible games one where his QBR was like 8. I'm not a big fan of total QBR, it's a deceptive stat and defense plays a role in it, so it shouldn't be used as a determining factor with QBs, IMO. Passer rating is a much better summary of how well they played.
Passer ratings have their limitations, too. For example they do not count Qb fumbles. I don't understand that. Concededly more complex is how to factor in passes completed when facing a prevent D. Especially where you are facing a team with the lead playing prevent becuase tht same Qb put his team in the hole with earlier poor play. And in a nod to QBR, I do think ability to come back and win after being down is a big factor in assessing Qb's. It was always one of my complaints about Chad, that he could not do that.
Passer rating will never answer those detail questions but given at least a full season of work it's a good starting point to indicate the quality of QB play since those things will generally even out over time. If someone has a really shitty passer rating they were most likely a really shitty QB for the season. The opposite is true as well.
On average that is certainly true, but it's also true that some Qb's fumble more than others, and imo that's a big problem, but not reflected in the Qb rating. I know the argument is that sometimes a fumble is really on the OL, like a strip sack where the Qb had no chance to get rid of it. But so are interceptions sometimes on the receiver, or a tipped pass by a defensive lineman who got too much push on the OL.
Definitely true and QBR was ESPN's attempt to include all that. I don't think we will really see a stat that can include all that because it's too subjective. DVOA and DYAR is another attempt at it and another even more ambitious one is AV score. Out of all of those, I still like passer rating as a baseline over seasons. There will always be explanations and reasons for why maybe the passer rating is inaccurate, but I think it's a great starting point for QBs.
We actually do have a QB stat that includes everything. It's call wins and losses. But even wins and losses get twisted like when Mark won 4 PO games ppl on tgg say it wasn't Mark who won the games. In the end personal feelings about a particular player will ALWAYS trump stats.
That stat includes too much. Passer rating is probably the closest we have right now and it's not that good unless you start getting into multiple games
