The Jets could get rid of Geno Smith right now and it would be less then a mil in cap hits. Manuel it's 5 mil. Tell me who has the longer leash? No self respecting team would throw away 5 mil on a 2nd year QB. Well you guys did give Fitzpatrick that extension, then cut him and take a huge cap hit so feel free to do whatever you want with QBs. EJ Manuel was just as under-whelming as Geno.
Tell me who has the longer leash? They're both the same. Neither team is financially prohibited from getting another qb next season. No self respecting team would throw away 5 mil on a 2nd year QB. This is illogical. For starters, Manuel would be a 3rd year qb because we're talking about the next off-season. Secondly, it most likely wouldn't come in the form of cutting Manuel or Smith but drafting another qb early. Well you guys did give Fitzpatrick that extension, then cut him and take a huge cap hit so feel free to do whatever you want with QBs. Oh gee, I guess you told me a thing or two. Except, I am not a Bills fan. It's pretty clear that Manuel had a better season 11TDs to 9 Ints versus 12 TDs to 21 Ints. Manuel has a higher completion % also.
At the end of the day - it will cost the Jets less money to get rid of Geno compared to EJ Manuel and the Bills. Therefore one leash is longer then the other. You have no idea if the owner / gm is willing to take that cap-hit. That is simple logic. If EJ doesn't workout next year - Bills don't even have a 2015 first round pick. The future is tied to this QB. This leash seems a lil longer then Geno's. Welp you threw the stat book at me, I guess he's that much better.
Vick will be pacing the sideline screening "Come on man...I hung dogs on leashes sorter than that. Get the bum outta there"
I also feel ej was Head and shoulders netter than geno last year. I feel ej'snupside is also much higher than genos'. I'm fine with giving geno another year to see if he improves, but I suspect he won't even make it through this season, and we will be looking for a new qb come draft.
"At the end of the day - it will cost the Jets less money to get rid of Geno compared to EJ Manuel and the Bills. Therefore one leash is longer then the other. You have no idea if the owner / gm is willing to take that cap-hit. That is simple logic." Yeah you do. The Bills were willing to absorb 10 million cap space to trade Steve Johnson. Therefore the ownership would not be afraid of a 5 mil cap hit. "If EJ doesn't workout next year - Bills don't even have a 2015 first round pick. The future is tied to this QB. This leash seems a lil longer then Geno's" Here's the problem with that reasoning. What's being discussed is your claim that EJ Manuel has a longer leash because of his contract.
Of all the quarterbacks you mentioned, Manuel, Smith and Tannehill, I'll bet only Tannehill goes on to have a decent career. Not because he's better than them, its just that he's used to that offense and has gotten results. I just have bad feelings for Manuel and Smith, they just haven't show enough.
He had the Bills to worry about. They were pretty dominant at the time and this was before the parity era. I think there were fewer wildcard teams as well, but maybe that changed during his career. Kenny was a much better pocket passer than Mark and it really isn't arguable. Mark was more mobile and had better escapability instincts, but I honestly cannot recall a single time Kenny got picked off by a defensive lineman. And I like Sanchez, maybe I will appreciate him more as time goes on.
This thread was full of laughs. (Thanks, guys.) Somehow, it's devolving into a sensible conversation. The OP comparison is just ludicrous. And while Sanchez did have a better post season career than O'Brien, he had a stronger team in a wider and more balanced playoff era. From the tape I've seen, O'Brien was the superior passer.
O'Brien was a decent QB for his day. He had the arm and he was accurate. The Jets offensive systems were kind of a weak version of Air Coryell with Joe Walton engineering a strong vertical attack that was often missing the outlets necessary to keep his QB upright. O'Brien spent too much time looking downfield and took some really vicious hits in the process. He was a *much* better QB than anything Mark Sanchez showed in his opportunity with the Jets. He actually completed a good percentage of his passes for the era and he didn't throw unnecessary picks although he did fumble now and then when he was getting leveled in the pocket.
I am not trying to get you, I am trying to teach you. we all like to pretend things were better way back when but Ken O'Brien had a really good season and a half and in those seasons couldn't even win a playoff game w/ more talent around him in a weaker AFC. Sanchez is properly rated by me, someone who actually understands what he is watching. This is just comedy, so Ken in a weaker AFC filed w/ more talent around him couldn't win a playoff game in his era but he'd win against much tougher competition in 2009 & 2010. Mark was a key to winning, we were led by our D but mark made a ton of big plays and avoided the bad mistakes. It's amazing that people actually watch football and don't understand what they are watching. This may have been the most asinine statement ever made on this board. ken had a good OL, good run game, excellent receivers, good D in a MUCH weaker era of AFC football. 4 playoff wins trumps a meaningless passer rating title. He didn't have the Bills to worry about until later in his Jets career and you aren't comparing those Bills teams to the modern day Pats are you? those Bills teams were very good and resilient in a WEAK era of Jets football. The Pats have been a dynasty in strong era for AFC football. from 1983-1989 there were 14 AFC teams, 3 division winners and 2 WC teams. 1 in 5(20%) chance to win division but no Pats so it was easier even though odds are better now. 2 in 11(18%) chance to earn WC and you could earn a home playoff game as a WC as we did in '85 & '86 1990-1992 same odds to win division, they added WC. odds to win WC went up, 3 in 11(27%) 2009-2010 there were 16 AFC teams, 4 div winners, 2 WCs 1 in 4 chance to win division(25%) but again it was harder in mark's era b/c of Pats 2 in 12 chance to earn WC(16%) and no home game for WC teams. who cares if Ken got picked off by a DL? what does that mean? in 2 postseason starts Ken threw 4 INTs, Mark threw 3 in 6 postseason starts. Ken had 2 TDs, Mark 9. Ken led O to 12 PPG, Mark 20. Mark won 4 road playoff games, Ken ZERO playoff games including a home loss. Ken had excellent #s for a couple of years but this game is about WINNING. we had 2 chances to reach SBs w/ mark, we had ZERO chances w/ Ken. The closest we came was losing a div rd at Cle, a game Pat Ryan started and gave us a lead and we couldn't do anything on O w/ Ken and blew a 10 pt lead w/ 4 mins left and lost in 2 OTs. Ken took sacks he didn't need to b/c he was always looking for the big play, he was kind of like a Drew Bledsoe. Great arm, looks the part but a statue that can't win big games. people think we didn't have a good OL b/c of all the sacks Ken took but Ken brought that on himself for always looking for the big play.
You don't teach me anything. You just continue to confirm to me you have a Don Quixote complex. Have fun tilting at windmills. _
EJ could go 0-16 this year and he would still be starting Week 1 in 2015... They don't have a first round pick in this upcoming draft... They don't have a choice but to keep EJ for another 2 years.
