you're pretty high on boyd huh? his speed is obvious and he does have a quick release, but i don't know about his accuracy… things like that could change pretty drastically from college to the pro's for various reasons. I don't think he takes a snap all year, we should all hope he doesn't because that means everything has gone wrong.
1985er posted a link to Rich's riser and fallers article which alludes to it but I remember reading tweets during OTAs that he took a step back and threw a bunch of interceptions. Can't find them though
In a perfect world Simms would be #3 and Boyd goes on the PS while both make significant strides throughout the season. Then next year when Vick leaves via FA Simms becomes #2 and Boyd is #3 (or vice versa). Then we can draft another QB in the 6th or 7th round to put on the PS. Then we all go eat some f'in snacks.
We really haven't had a receiving corps good enough to evaluate any QB. This year should tell us a good deal on what we do have.
The bar for NFL quarterbacks is not very high outside the top 10, the bar for back - up QB's rubs turf. Simms is fine.
I don't think it's really feasible to trade him for an early round pick if he shows that he has "the it factor"- there's no way for him to prove that without playing in real games. The later round QBs basically always have to rely on injuries to get on the field, so Boyd would have to have come in and showed promise in order to have trade value. But in that case, we wouldn't want to trade him.
I don't think either of them will be active all season and on the roster in 2 years so who cares really. I'll say Boyd makes the team because he was Rex's draft pick.
I like Simm's arm, toughness, and the big progress jump he had last year. I like Boyd's intangibles, leadership, toughness, and compact build. His upside reminds me of a poor man's Steve McNair. All that said, both will need to show some accuracy and ability to protect the football/make smart decisions. Whoever does that better will earn the job. I voted Simms. We have a couple years invested in him, and he made a big jump last year. If he can show some more progress this year, he'd be more ready to handle the #3 than Boyd straight away. Being picked as late as Boyd was, there isn't much difference between UDFA. We'd likely be able to get him onto the PS, unless he shows a whole lot in preseason action. But then again, if he does show a lot in preseason, he's likely the guy we keep.
That's a good point that I didn't really consider until after I submitted my post. Having said that, I'd still want to keep Boyd because we don't know yet for sure what he'll amount to, whereas, at this point with Simms, we have a pretty good idea of his ceiling and overall career trajectory -- more so than what we know of Boyd. Again, if we keep Simms over Boyd, I won't complain, nor would I call it poor management. I just would like to see what Boyd brings to the table at the NFL level.
I would like to see what Boyd can bring to the NFL level as well. I think we all do, as none of us really know yet. There is quite a good chance it won't happen over night though, and may take multiple years of progress to get to a quality point. I disagree, however, that we've already seen Simms career trajectory. He went from PS to promising backup in just a year. That is a very good trajectory arc, but i don't know what his ceiling really is yet. I do believe after a year in the system as a backup, 2 years developing upward in the NFL, that he is in a better position to earn the #3 spot this year. Ideally i want to keep them both, and have them compete for the backup role in 2015 (or even starter role, should they progress to that level). What I'll be looking for this offseason is accuracy and protecting the football/decision making. That'll determine if they can play in this league. The other attributes are there.
I hope we can keep them both. Regarding Simms, you're right about the progress he's made. But, as of now, he's embattled for the #3 role (i.e. a final roster spot), and he needs to work very hard to maintain that spot. So, to me, that indicates what he is and what he will become. I'd love to see the kid make even more progress and go on to surprise everyone, but realistically, do you think that'll actually happen. The best thing Boyd has going for him now is that he's an unknown.
I would vote Boyd as well. As other posters said we have a good idea of what Matty can be in this league, he is nothing more than a career backup or 3rd string.With the way the league is trending Boyd has more tools to be a productive quarterback obviously he needs to be coached up and improve his accuracy and reading defenses as well as many other areas of his game but with time I believe he will develop into a better quarterback than Simms. So for that I vote my hitta Boyd.
We know Simms' ceiling based upon what? A quarter and a half of football under center in a game designed for Smith, where the Oline was abused all game and the starting receivers, who were a joke to begin with, got pulled for the backups? Stop pretending you have Simms nailed down, he'll probably end up having a good career with another team, and will almost certainly have a better career than Tajh Boyd. The dude isn't going to get a chance with this team, that's been apparent for a while, but if he hooks up with a smart FO/HC combo, he could definitely have a better career than Geno Smiff. And LOL at whatever dimwit said "Simms isn't an NFL quality QB", might even be one of those guys that roots for the status quo every fucking single year.
I think they both suck and should be cut to make room for Hills replacement. Simms had his shot and failed. Boyd is too short. Hill can't catch a cold. Lets go for the tri-fecta and actually improve the team.
Clemson alum here: I'll put it to you like this.....Dabo Sweeney did Rex a favor by taking his son. A 5 ft 10 180 lb WR as a walk-on. I think Rex may have done Dabo a favor by taking a chance on Boyd. I don't think boyd will be going anywhere. Also, I think we have already seen enough from Simms. Let's be real, It's Tajh turn to show us. Simms is a game manager 3rd qb at best. He couldn't even start at UT btw.
I get that Simms didn't have the talent around him to provide a real assessment; but at this point, if he hasn't wowed anyone, like overwhelmingly, then he probably is what he is. Do I know that for sure? Heck no. I like Simms skill set (from what I've seen in meaningless Presason games and that spot-duty appearance). But if I'm being asked to pick one or the other, going forward, then I'd choose Boyd.
Boyd had the better college career. So if he dramatically outplays Matt he could make it as no. 3 and Simms cut. As far as the politics of it: Matt is Phil Simms son and Tajh played at Clemson with Rex's son and is a favorite of the Ryans. To me it's Matt's job to lose. But we're talking about no. 3 a guy who most probably won't play.
