Who would you blame Idzik or Ryan?

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  1. BroadwayAaron

    BroadwayAaron Well-Known Member

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    It's June 4th...
     
  2. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

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    In general behavior is a mix of instinct, intention and learned modes of action, don't you think? Certainly where intention is involved (as compared to say a purely reflexive physical act), it cannot be purely "natural".
     
  3. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

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    I was of a mind to get rid of Rex last season, because the whole idea of hiring a GM and making him retain a HC coming off a 6-10 season was questionable. I also blamed Rex for the debacle of hiring Sparano. Finally it was my impression as well as the general one that Rex had input on several personnel decisions that were not working out (exclusive of the Tebow situation, which was Woody's deal).

    But this off season is different. Whatever the extent of Rex's involvement and responsbility, the major position of OC has been resolved for the time being, so I can't continue seeing it as the same as it was after the 12 season. And while we don;t know how much input Ryan has on personnel now, that would be Idzik's choice if he was giving Ryan "too much" input. Add it up and since i don't expect the CS to perform poorly with the roster they are given, unless there's a Qb controversy that hurts the team, I think a poor season would be more Idzik's fault, and of course ftr this is just a prediction within the parameters of the rather open ended and overly speculatve OP here.
     
  4. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

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    I agree here. It will be very interesting to see how well Cromartie does in Arizona. But I do agree the Jets could have had him for the same price as we went to AZ for. Let's see if they were right to let him go.
     
  5. Geno007

    Geno007 Well-Known Member

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    True, but that the reports. So if they are true then Idzik sign him to replace Cro.
     
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    FJF 2018 MVP Joe Namath Award Winner

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    [quote:Big Blocker, post: 3009614, member: 9238"]In general behavior is a mix of instinct, intention and learned modes of action, don't you think? Certainly where intention is involved (as compared to say a purely reflexive physical act), it cannot be purely "natural".[/quote]
    Of course,from where that intention is born would have to be either worked at or come naturally,so there's that. But its you and you say you had to work at it so who am I to argue. Kudos your hard work paid off
     
  7. Big Blocker

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    What I don;t like about this analysis is the Cards signed him. They presumably were aware of his injury and had the ability to make an assessment of the situation. I also happen to think Arians is an up and coming HC, and while he's not yet attained the position of an HC with a proven track record, I would be surprised to see an Arians led team making big mistakes on personnel. I could be wrong, but...

    My interest in Arizona preceded this trade, since they are an interesting team that just missed the NFC playoffs last year, with some big wins against playoff teams. Before that I thought Arians would have been signed to an HC job the year before he was, so I intended to track his efforts. And then he goes and signs Cro. Yeah, i will be looking now and again to see how they do.
     
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    Well I didn't say it was hard work, but I am feeling generous today, so I won't split hairs.
     
  9. 94Abraham

    94Abraham Well-Known Member

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    If the offense is still a disaster even with a few clear upgrades in Johnson and the rookie TE who looks to have a ton of potential, Ryan needs to be canned. You can only be abysmal on one side of the ball for so long before action needs to be taken. If the defense is still decent and the offense is at least average, Ryan will make it out alive.
     
  10. Milliner is your Mommy

    Milliner is your Mommy Well-Known Member

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    How can you blame a GM in year 2 after taking over a 6 win team with no offense. It takes time to build a team and Rex overachieved last year. Its possible to be average and have it be neither of their faults.
     
  11. BroadwayAaron

    BroadwayAaron Well-Known Member

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    This.

    Threads like this and some of the horrible responses in it are a perfect example of why you can't rebuild in New York. Well you CAN, you just have to ignore the dumb part of the fanbase. Luckily Idzik is doing that.
     
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    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    Yes, no accountability is one way to run an organization. Some of us prefer not being mediocre though, isn't that such a crazy thought!!??
     
  13. displacedfan

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    Pretty sure doesn't mean knowing. Maybe the Cards offered more. Maybe the Jets didn't want him back. They did leave a hole at CB, so somewhere they definitely made a mistake, I'm just not certain enough to point to where that mistake was.
     
  14. Geno007

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    That true but we can only go on right now what we read. I hope Patterson comes out and becomes Revis like. Also I would also like to see Cro get back to himself like 2 years ago
     
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    If this thread stays alive all the way through December who do we blame?
     
  16. Innocenti

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    Well considering that 4 years in the NFL is a career, a ten-year plan doesn't make much sense.
     
  17. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    The NFL is an industry with a little less than 2/3rds the life of any standard industry. Employees in the NFL who succeed and make it to true retirement end up playing until they are a little less than 40, while people that are successful in standard industry jobs will be employed until they are 65. So a guy that plays in the NFL for 4 years equates to a guy in a standard industry working for 6 years, then switching to something different or just being a deadbeat. 6 years in a standard industry is far from what you would consider a career.

    The guys that play 4 years in the NFL don't have the physical and mental makeup to be justified as having an NFL career. They should have been gym teachers.
     
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  18. Jetfanmack

    Jetfanmack haz chilens?

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    Asking 'If the Jets suck, whose fault is it,' is ridiculous because there are so many different ways for a team to fail that could fall on Rex or Idzik or the players or any combination of the three. It's completely impossible to answer that question because there are way too many hypotheticals involved.

    And if the Jets actually do suck this year, we'll probably be able to figure it out ourselves.

    That said, the most likely reason for the Jets to struggle this season is for the quarterback play to suffer like it has in years. That would be debatable as to whose fault it is, but it would be irrelevant because the bigger issue would be to find a better quarterback, not to assign blame...
     
  19. Footballgod214

    Footballgod214 Well-Known Member

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    When I blamed Sanchez I was kidding but you make an excellent point. Blowing a high pick sets a team back years. Heck, we may still have dead cap space with his name on it.
     
  20. Royce Parker

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    I don't understand the criticism over letting Cro go. You may not agree with the move, fine, but people claiming that the Jets "didn't try hard enough" or things to that effect are taking pure speculation and stating it as fact.

    Nobody knows exactly what went down. Considering that he was a Jet for the past several seasons, you would think that they would have the inside track on his potential for next season. We would all like to have the 2012 version of Cro on the team but the 2013 version of Cro pretty much sucked.

    People are always criticizing the Jets for keeping players a year too long. Maybe this time they made the right call. I'm not saying that they necessarily did, but until we see how our CBs perform in comparison to Cro this year, you can't make a fair assessment.
     

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