WRONG on all 3 points. I didn't say beyond the receivers reach or over his head did I? I said lead receiver with passes that they can stretch for with their arms, I didnt say leap for it did I? You make too many assumptions, reminiscent of someone who has never played nor knows what the fuck they are trying to point out. And WTF does Bill Walsh have to do with this? If there is such a thing, I suggest you go buy a dummies guide to understanding football. American Football that is, not soccer, cause at this point, I have no fucking idea what sport you are trying to explain to me.
Whoa....the two of you need to get a room! No one could tell ANYTHING from that video...period. Anyone who says they can is smoking wampum big time. Wheww...how's it going to look when we actually get into training camp?!?
I didn't. HE did. I pointed out that the ball placements were pretty mediocre at best, some landing way too high, and some landing low, and some leading too far ahead. And then I was told I know nothing - and he even had the nerve to 'challenge anyone who disagrees' with his boastful 8 years worth of experience. I had to laugh, seriously. If you don't trust me, check the original posting. If you watch the video at the end, you'd easily realize whatever claim the OP makes is preposterous to say the very least.
Just because a pass is chest high doesn't mean that the ball is thrown right to the receiver's chest or that the receiver might not be led by the pass. That's ridiculous and not true at all. Despite your protestations, balls thrown higher than chest level are getting too high for most routes. For most routes, you don't want the receiver to have to stretch out as that leaves him vulnerable, causes him to have to break stride and can prevent YAC. Not only are higher passes picked or broken up much more often than passes that are in the chest high range, but they mean that the receiver often has to break stride, jump, or stretch out for the ball, which leaves them vulnerable, and prevents YAC. Now maybe that's not what you meant, but it's what you said. If you meant something different, then that's on you. We aren't mind readers. It's your poor choice of words. Depending upon the route and the positioning of the DBs, it's often easier for DBs to get a hand in there and make a play on the ball when it is up in the air more. It enables the DB to come over the back of the receiver. When the ball is lower, it's easier for the receiver to get his body between the DB and the ball. Sure if it's a deep route and the receiver has a step on the DB then you want the ball leading the receiver and lofted so the receiver can run under it and catch it in stride. On square outs you want the ball leading the receiver to the outside so only the receiver can catch the ball or it goes out of bounds. On slants, you want to lead the receiver, but want the ball right at chest height so the receiver doesn't have to break stride, extend too much or reach up. Pass location is not an absolute, but depends upon the DB's position. Lead the receiver on some of those routes and the DB has just as good a chance to catch the pass as the receiver. Vinny Testaverde threw high passes as does Sanchez. They didn't exactly work out too well.
While I didn't play a full 8 years of organized football, I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night and in my view there is absolutely nothing that you can take from that video that demonstrates good ball placement, poor ball placement or any ball placement at all. Shirts and shells, no offensive line in front, no pass rush, no defenders, half the passes you can't even see the catch. Anyone trying to discern anything from that video is reaching. _
Exactly! The OP has an agenda against Smith, tried to use the moment to impress us all with his superior knowledge. Utter and absolute BS.
Apparently. I'm not sold on a Geno just yet but he looks perfectly fine in that video- for what it is. The dude has always thrown a pretty ball. Silly to make any comparison either positive or negative. _
You too??? I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express as well!!!!! Looks like I'll be solving world peace today! he he he he heeee
It's funny when dudes here claim superior knowledge because they played some football. I'd hazard to guess at least half the folks here played at least in HS--I did--and quite a few in college but I'm not using my HS football experience as any sort of criteria for judging professional football at the highest level. I think I've probably learned a lot more about football in the 40+ years I've been watching it than the 4 years I played it. Too funny. _
Absolutely incorrect. You don't want chest high passes on routes where receiver need to be led. Chest high passes AT the receiver are balls easily defended and also gives a chances of uncertainty for the receiver who contemplates catching the ball with his body instead of his hands. If you know anything about football, receivers are constantly fighting the urge to catch with their bodies, and some cannot resist due to making wrong split/last second decisions. AND, where you are most wrong about your I've never played football, so I only speculate deduction is that if you have chest high pass, you may have to slow down depending on where the ball is placed in that chest window, or if you decide to catch with your body in which most catches with the body result in the receiver jumping, THAT is what kills YAC. SO, I go back to what I've been saying all along, you want passes led away from your body, to keep stride, away from the defenders, and forces receivers to catch with their hands (textbook receiving).
I'll take it a step further in my superior knowledge and say that a pass that you have to do a little extra for, like stretch your arms out horizontally or vertically, forces the receiver to use a little more concentration. How many times have you seen a receiver drop a ball that was seemingly perfect chest high passes? Those types of passes offer little to the concentration factor and are in turn taken for granted and dropped.
That's twice as long as you isn't it. So I have twice the experience wouldn't you say? And most here have none.
I'm not sure why you aren't an NFL coach with your experience and superior knowledge instead of just posting on an internet fan forum. Seriously, I'm thoroughly impressed. _
Ask me why I knew you'd say something like that? Is it because it hasn't been said a million times before. Clever JStokes, very clever. I'm thoroughly impressed.
I was being serious. You sound like the most football savvy guy on here. Really, 8 years of football? That sounds like a lot. _
Even I am wowed by your extensive football experience and knowledge...maybe somebody SHOULD call up Marty....!
Learn to read, go to an attitude adjustment seminar, and then maybe I'll be willing to discuss football with you again. Until then, goodbye!
Ah excuse me but this dude played football for EIGHT YEARS. Wtf are YOUR credentials? I didn't think so. _
