If that happens, Idzik's dream of "Seahawks East" will be complete. Pretty good situation to be in. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
Unfortunately this is the bottom line...I really hope Amaro is the next Gonzo because if not we dropped the ball big time
Yep, in a draft like this, especially when WR is one of, if not THE biggest need you have, you really had to work on it to miss out on all the top WR prospects. In the end, even if Amaro pans out like most expected, I still am going to hold it against Idzik that he managed to not take a single one of the top 10-15 WR prospects. IMO he truly screwed the pooch on that aspect of this draft.
I didn't mind taking Pryor over Cooks, and I liked the Amaro pick. I just can't understand taking Saunders and Evans over Abbrederis, Ellington, Bryant, DAT, Huff
I can understand their taking Pryor in the first, but if I were the GM, I wouldn't have let the 2nd round go by without getting one of those WRs. I don't care if I'd had to trade up or down, I would have found a way to do it. I don't like Amaro. I'd much rather have had Niklas, Fiedorowicz or even Crockett Gillmore or Marcel Jensen than Amaro. I agree with you about Saunders and Evans over Abbrederis, Ellington and Huff. I didnt' want Bryant under any circumstances. I have no idea who DAT is. I think Abbrederis' frame could have been part of the reason why the Jets didn't take/want him. I think another factor is they were looking for a punt returner and 3rd down receiver. We'll just have to hope that they're right about Evans over Huff or Ellington.
I read that he's best suited for OLB in a 3-4. He's too small for DE in the NFL so he probably will end up at LB with us.
WR is only "THE biggest need you have" if you think Stephen Hill is worthless. It just so happen that there is a possibility the Jets are not as down on Hill as all of you guys who hate him, as I've been saying for quite some time.
I think the beauty of this draft, other than the fact that for once we kept all of our picks and drafted at positions of need across the board, is that it signals a change in philosophy in the organization. Rather than overvaluing raw measurables and gaudy stats, they're now putting an emphasis on guys with high character, high motivation, competitive instinct and an aggressive style of play. Being that I don't follow college ball closely these days, I've been watching video on most of the new guys and it seems to me that the one common thread between them is a tough, competitive aspect to their game and a high motor. And unless I missed something, it also appears that they steered clear of players with character or off-field issues. Maybe it's just my perception, but it looks to me like the overall vision of the team is changing. Rex got the ball rolling over the past several seasons by bringing a much needed new swagger to the team, though at times his over the top style really bit him in the ass, a-la his SB predictions or when he named Holmes captain. With Idzik here to temper Rex's flamboyance and (hopefully) his sometimes blind loyalty to players at the expense of the team, I think we're going to see a much more effective competition to make the roster and therefore a much more competitive team on the field. In the end, it's still too early to say whether Idzik will be deemed a success as GM, but so far it looks to me like his measured and focused approach are going to be a great compliment to Rex's balls-out style of coaching.
The one nice thing Idzik has done is stockpile mid-late round Olineman. It's something the Jets never did in the Bradway/Tanny regimes and it has ruined seasons. Hopefully someone in the Aboushi, Campbell, Winters, and Dozier group can turn into a reliable starter at guard.
I've accepted the McDougle pick. At the time it infuriated me but I've come around. My only real gripe is taking Saunders instead of Ellington. Obviously they took him to be our return ace, his agility through traffic looks great on tape. However, I thought Ellington was one of the best receivers in the class. He's almost as fast as Saunders but 30 lbs heavier. He would have been a complete player for us.
Saunders is going to surprise a lot of people on this board. I was one of his biggest doubters in college when he first arrived at OU. I watch both Ellington's and Saunders college careers and they made the right pick.
I don't think I agree with you on this one. WRs are - at best, WRs. Sideline players. My point is, you don't look at the sideline players unless you have a strong core players that occupy the center. As it stands, Jets D had a gaping hole at FS spot. It's not like Jets didn't address the WR position either. [Eric Decker.] With Amaro in the mix, Jets will have a threat in the shallow middle that the defense has to respect. That will relieve a lot of pressure from the wide outs as well. If you look at the trend of the past two drafts, you will see what I mean; Jets have tried to get stout up front, in the middle first and foremost. DL was bolstered. A lot of bodies were added on OL. Now Safety spot was addressed. Jets brass achieved all these while loading up on the offensive backfield [Chris Ivory/Chris Johnson] I still think the LB corp is somewhat of a weakness in this defense. Trevor Reilly addresses one OLB spot, but I don't think he's the rush LB. He's more of a Sam to me, dropping back to cover TE from time to time, and shading over TE area to sniff the run out, or cover the shallow area. For now, Coples and Barnes will have to carry the load there, but if the edge rusher is deemed a need, they will look in that direction, probably early in the draft. Same with WRs. With improved OL and QB play, they should get a lot of production from the ground - with Amaro in the mix, a lot of quick hitters off play action becomes a legitimate threat. If WR corp still remains a problem spot, they will address that early next draft.
The thing I really liked about the draft is that the Jets didn't trade up for one of the top WR's when the pool of elite guys got thin. I've wanted Marqise Lee since he declared for the 2014 draft but I'd have been very conflicted about a trade up to get him. We'd have likely overpaid to make the move and then been at the mercy of the injury gods again. The competition at WR would have become a joke with about 8 guys fighting for 2 or 3 slots. It's a much better competition with 10 fighting for 4.
yeh i remember you didnt like my opinion that the jets might look to pick him up in the draft. im not taking credit for anything other than making a lucky guess i just remember how much you hated amaro is all haha
First, it's fine that we disagree. I understand what you're saying, and there is a certain wisdom in strengthening the trenches and middle. FS was (is?) definitely a huge need, but I'm not sure that Pryor will play FS. I've seen some speculation that he will stay at SS, and Landry or Allen will play FS, and I think that would be a big mistake. Even if he does play FS, we don't know how effective he will be, but at least the Jets finally addressed the secondary and didn't take another CB in the first round. I totally disagree that WRs are just sideline players. They are key players in today's NFL and have been for a long time. Where would the Jets have been without Maynard and Sauer? Where would the Packers have been without Carroll Dale and Max McGee? In the Jets' case, if they don't have a consistent threat to score from anywhere on the field, it gives the D a HUGE advantage. It's much easier to defend a plowhorse than a thoroughbred. Have WRs that can stretch the field, and it opens up the middle and enables the play action. Yes, the Jets added Decker, but I'll believe that he will be effective on his own when I see it. I've never been a big fan of his. I have to hope that Amaro will be what so many Jets fans think he can be. If he is, then he should definitely help Decker and the Jets' offense. What about helping Geno develop? What about giving him more weapons? Decker and Amaro should help, but the Jets will still have one of the worst WR corps in the NFL. I'm not counting on Ford or Hill for anything. I agree that the LB corps is still a weakness, and I blame that on Tanny & Rex. Tanny pretty much gave Rex what he wanted. As another poster suggested, Rex does seem to favor bigger, heavier LBs who can set the edge and stop the run over smaller, faster ones who are better at rushing the QB. That's why we wound up stuck with Harris, Scott, Pace and Thomas for so long. They're good at that, or were, but are too slow, can't provide consistent pressure on opposing QBs, are a liability in coverage, and can't get to other running plays. Reilly may help, but even if he does, he's already 26, and he has what 2-3 years, and that's if he can play at a high level immediately. As some have suggested, he needs to get stronger and to adjust to the NFL, so he may be only able to give the team 1-2 years. I'm sorry, but at this point I'm very skeptical about Idzik and his scouting dept. I never thought he was the best choice for the job. Until this offseason I really liked the work he's done, but so far this year, I'm not as certain about the way he's done his job. I'm gonna wait and see how things develop in TC, how many players make the team, what their contributions are, and how some other prospects fare that I wanted to see the Jets draft.
Congrats. I hope he's every bit as good as you and other fans who wanted him. We certainly need him to be.
