Aside from basically agreeing with some of the things about veteran players that I had posted after the OP, you stated that Rex couldn't be judged on what performance he gets out of his corners until the rookies either develop or don't, which sort of dismisses the part about the veteran players... ... but I'm fine with that if that's what criteria you need to believe that my OP is valid or not, but didn't appear to be something that I felt needed arguing against.
The point I was making is that you can't negatively judge a coaches ability to develop players at a given position based on their results with veteran players. By definition those guys are already developed and the best you can realistically hope for is to utilize them in effective roles by scheming towards their strengths and covering up weaknesses if you're really good. I think one of Rex's main strengths as a defensive mind is scheming to cover weaknesses, and while you might argue that the data shows he doesn't do that particularly well for cornerbacks I think that point of view misses the bigger picture. Namely, his schemes probably tend to put more pressure on the CB unit to do a better overall job at concealing weaknesses at LB and S. Maybe those efforts have become less effective as Rex's tenure progressed mainly due to the erosion of talent in the secondary and LB corps and secondarily over the leagues increasingly effective adaptations to Rex's schemes especially when armed only with that reduced talent. Basically I think that makes a pretty convincing case that the crux of your argument is invalid because even if I agree with some of your assessments about the results of individual veteran CB's over the past few years it ignores Rex's overall strategy for his vision of defense and also leads to entirely different conclusions than you're drawing even if viewing those individual players in a vacuum. Plus when you look at his ability to bring in a complete unknown like Walls to do a more or less competent job at starting CB it undermines your evidence of specifics even if you disagree with or ignore everything I just said previously. The only way to prove anything approaching conclusive in your favor is if Milliner busts which you're obviously not ready to staunchly predict sitting here now because that looks like a bad bet especially when you look at his last few games. Assuming he doesn't bust that gives Rex the opportunity to truly prove his ability as an overall defensive coach as he becomes free to improve other pieces of the secondary and/or adds an ILB that can cover or a traditional passrushing OLB to start creating havoc again. At that point it would become clear why he values CBs highly for the freedom it gives him to get creative with the rest of the defense rather than the passive approach he has been forced to take of late by putting extra responsibility on underqualified CBs to conceal as big or bigger weaknesses elsewhere on the defense. That's why I think your perspective is premature at best and far from semantically disagreeing with my original post.
You know me better than that. I just enjoy busting darksiders' balls when they jump to conclusions or spread drama about Rex. I'm not stereotyping all Jets fans. I use terminology like "Folks think" or "Some people say" specifically to avoid stereotyping because I'm well aware that all Jets fans are not like that. The point (which you conveniently ignored) was that Richardson directly goes against the claim you have made and that CBs are an integral part of Rex's system. He doesn't just draft them because it's his weakness. That's laughably wrong and recent drafts prove it. He only grabs CBs when it is a need. Otherwise you need to explain, Wilkerson, Richardson, Coples, etc who were all first round picks on the DL.
I pretty much agree with all of it. Rex is the head coach, he doesn't need to individually coach the various positions on defense, so the claim that his weakness is developing CBs or that he drafts them because it's a weakness has no bearing on reality. We have positional coaches for that exact reason. The main argument is bunk because since Rex was HC, his first round picks were Sanchez, Wilson, Wilkerson, Coples & Millner/Richardson. 2 CBs and 3 DL players. The argument presented in the OP is silly. Maybe he's revised his position since then but I couldn't be bothered reading 75% of the site disagreeing over and over again.
OP makes sense to me. I think Wilk/Snacks/Richardson will do more to elevate the corner play than Rex Ryan. Sack exchange didn't have Pro Bowlers in the secondary. Peruse: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nyj/1981.htm
According to today's Twitter we gave up 900 passing yards without Revis last year then in the 2012 season
You're exactly right and that explains why the jets WASTED a 3rd round pick this year on a CB that played a whole one and a half GAMES his senior year of college. Who had ever heard of Dexter McDougle before the jets did their usual huge REACH on some nobody.
Rex should be fired, I'm not denying that. But how can you blame Rex for the cornerback play this year? Rex didn't injure Milliner or injure McDougle. Rex didn't make Patterson go AWOL and Rex certainly didn't refuse to sign any capable CBs this offseason. I'm not quite sure why you're bumping this thread, because at this point Rex's faults are much larger than the CB position.
Cromartie was very good in 2011 and 2012. 2013 it's obvious he was hurt, 2010 he wasn't that good. Now he's playing great with Arizona. I understand your point but I do think Rex was good for Cromartie
