I'm not all that furious about losing DRC as I think 5 years is way too rich for a guy who may not even like football.That said..this recruiting bit is troubling. What advantage would the Giants possibly have over the Jets for his services other than perhaps a better QB? Jets have the better defense, better scheme for his skill set, better defensive coaching, more cap space & more draft picks. How do you screw that up if you're offering more dough? Something doesn't add up. There's more to this story.
If your last paragraph is why he's not signing some players, then I can live with that. The thing is, however, he still needs to field a competitive team this season. If the team takes a step backwards, or if Geno gets hurt because they don't have adequate OG play, then the fan base and Woody won't be very happy. If he's willing to write off the 2014 season to get better draft position next year, I won't have a problem with it as long as he has a great draft and we see progress in the other young players, but if he misses on the draft after not making many moves (if the lack of signings continues) in FA, then he may be prematurely ending his career.
Yes, with a possibility of close to $50 million in cap space and 12 draft picks, he could almost totally remake this team in this offseason. He is in an ideal position to dramatically change the team's fortunes. It's not every year that a team has this kind of cap space AND 12 draft picks. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. Sorry you're having problems with it. There's middle ground between making splash signings and doing next to nothing. It's not all or nothing. I've been a strong supporter of Idzik to now, and still am, but am beginning to have some doubts/concerns. That's all it is.
Scott-Vastly overpaid & didn't last the length of his contract Leonhard- Injury prone & didn't last length of contract Landry-Low risk/high reward contract.Stayed healthy & was productive for a year. Nice work Cromartie- Gave up 2nd round pick.Productive & longstanding.Good move Sheppard- 1 average season before he was released. Gave up draft pick Pryce- Signed for vet minimum for playoff run. Productive on rotational basis Pace- arguably overpaid but longstanding & productive Jenkins- Gave up draft pick. Dominant when healthy..which was rare. Caused alot of dead money While there is some mixed success..we gave up alot of draft picks & cap space for mostly B level players.I'm not buying this argument.
Davis, yes, DRC? I believe a lot of people here were willing to pay 8+ and predicted the Giants to pay 9 or 10, yet they got him for a base value of 7, full value of under 8. If he was worth 8 or more to the Jets how did the Giants overpay? It's so funny how quickly things change. Kinda like how I've seen on here that Revis is "a shell of himself" after putting together another exceptional season.
Really?This passive aggressive Patsy stuff in fricking March? I'm sure your thrilled to have Revis,Brady,Satan & the rest of your team. Don't expect to come here & have people have any respect for Revis. He put this fan base through an emotional roller coaster & once his greed led to his irrelevance..he goes to enemy # 1. If you're looking for some humility or appreciation from Jet fans regarding Revis..It's not happening under any circumstances. As for DRC..There is a bit of a double standard on this board for what they'd like to see Jets pay vs. what a players gets.I totally agree w/ that. Many of us were fine paying DRC 7+ mill/year...But myself & others have shown some concern for the length of the contract. 5 years is a long time for a 28 year old inconsistent corner who openly considered retiring a few months ago.
just because u have cap space doesnt mean u have to spend it, and it certainly doesnt mean u will have a good team look at the eagles and fins who fell flat on their face after huge offseasons
Who says top D must be built through CBs and through FA? Giants had their run without top CB. Seattle got their top D through the draft. There is more than one way to skin the cat. Just because you don't agree doesn't make it wrong.
Honestly if Cro is resigned I'll be very happy. Before FA started I wanted him to be cut and brought back cheaper. Think I just got caught up in all the rumors and started to want all the FAs.
5 years means cap management. The contract only has $15m guaranteed. It is likely a 2 year contract in reality, 3 at most. If he's still performing at age 31 they likely have a steal given what the cap can possibly be 3 years down the road. I wasn't looking for humility in the Revis situation, I expect anger directed towards HIM, not his play. People here are trying to convince themselves that he suddenly sucks after they were begging for his return, sorry you took my comment the same way, it was just meant to point out the double standards, same as the DRC comment.
No worries.You are one of the better opposing fan posters. We're all just alittle touchy w/ all that HASN'T gone on in the last week.
So you're basing whether a player is overpaid on what people say on these forums?....OK DRC had multiple red flags. He produced in 1 out of the last 3 seasons (during a contract year), and thought about retirement just a few months ago. And apparently the Eagles staff couldn't motivate him.
I understand he has a lot to work with but his ability to spend right now doesn't mean he wants to do it on certain players to a certain extent right now or he has to right now. I think we're confusing an opportunity gained in 2014 as an opportunity that can only be used in 2014. that money is carrying over to the next cycle of free agency, or hell later on this years cycle. we've put too much stake into the players this year, assumed too much about how much the jets wanted them and just assumed they would sign them because they were capable of doing so, never putting a moments thought into the fact that maybe none of that would happen to the extent we imagined because the jets weren't that high on most guys. He signed a starting RT and WR, didn't think a CB was worth that much, and any other thing he did or didn't do otherwise was either immediately out of the realm of possibility or else a situation where he was not actually as interested as the jets rumor mill had us believe. In the end, he'll continue to sign away at his own pace not being wary about how quickly he's doing so (to the degree we'd like anyhow) because, despite the fact that 2014 is his first opportunity to spend a great deal, he doesn't have to pick from this pool even if he can, nor is this the only opportunity he has to set the team up right for years to come. thats my only point, we've overly romanticized the 2014 spending "because we got money like that" spree, and we're too caught up in this year while having no faith that the future, immediate or distant, will yield more opportunities to take advantage of. so we complain about lack of signings as if this is our last chance at getting somebody ever, thinking in a bubble rather than on a bigger picture. When I say theres nothing special about this year I mean it, I'm glad the organization isn't so insecure about its roster that it feels the need to desperately plea for players to come over by waving larger and larger wads of cash. thats not a sustainable model, in the end what we're asking for is spending big for the sake of it, even if a signing has merit that isn't necessary, we're lucky to have GM that realizes that.
How else are we supposed to judge his value? He made slightly more than Verner, who covered #2s most of the time and is a pure zone corner. He made slightly less than Grimes, who probably got the deal that best represented his own worth, he made WAY less than Davis and Talib, who I believe are both incredibly overpaid. Davis' contract is WAY above his skill ceiling. Talib's deal would be accurate if he didn't have baggage and injury concerns, but because of those, the AAV is way too much. Denver structured the guaranteed money wisely though to protect themselves. DRC's deal looks pretty good, Giants' have basically a 2 year commitment at about 7.5m/year, the deal is only guaranteed for 15m. Unless the guaranteed money is pushed way back they will be able to cut him anytime they want after the 2015 season with little to no penalty against their cap. Just because we're fans doesn't mean we can't judge value based off of comparable deals that other players at his position received during the same period.
It's because there's a small (but vocal) segment of the fanbase that has convinced itself that we have the capability to contend for a Super Bowl every season if we "just make a few great moves in draft/FA/trades" (paraphrase). They don't realize that we're not winning anything without a QB and there's a good likelihood there's none on the team. In other words, they are delusional.
Looking at WR and CB, who's left worth bringing in? CB, you got Cromartie and Carlos Rogers. The WR market is pretty barren at this point. Thought maybe James Jones would've been a solid signing.
I have literally heard our name attached to no free agents. I think we're done except for maybe Colon.
