i can pretty vividly remember rex ryan after the cinci game saying that they needed to scale back the passing game to avoid mistakes. i think it was a good idea that went WAY too far. it created a lack of explosiveness, a very very bland offense and one that really just cant succeed. i know damn well that morningwood is not running a bland offense because he wants to or he thinks it will lead us to wins. this has to be coming from somewhere else or the team just cant do it, but they have proven earlier in the year that even though they dont have a ton of talent they can still be a decent offense. i can say i am wrong though, knowing what morningwood does i expected to be saying that he passes the ball too much. not too little. the creativity is my real issue, its just bland and blah at this point.
yeah I agree with most in this thread, the lack of weapons and structure we have had on offense makes any OC job's impossible. Marty could be doing a better job but what can you do when the team adjusts and you have the worse QB situation in the league?
So how come with Chad, he still dialed up plays that he knew he couldn't complete? You are missing the point. Favre, we threw 44 times in the snow against Seattle nuff said. Mark's career went down the toilet because we didn't provide him enough help in 2011 and 2012 (offensive line, plax, mason, letting Cotchery go) Letting Cotchery go was prob the biggest mistake made by us. That had nothing to do with Schottenheimer. Give us 2010 with MM and I believe we have a franchise QB
There is no one reason for what's happened, its a combination of events, efforts (or lack of) and a continuation of lack of attention to the offensive side of the ball. The continuation is the lack of bringing in good skill players on offense and good O line play. Winslow is a headline grabber but he's too fragile and likely done. Tone was physically hurt to begin the season and now is both physically hurt and realizes he needs to latch onto another team next year so his effort is lacking because he doesn't want to hurt himself again. Its the same with him for a while now. I will never forgive him for the Dolphins game. Keeping Vlad over Slauson wasn't smart. They should have dumped Vlad, kept Slauson and let Winters learn this year. Colon is okay as a filler but that position needs to be upgraded. Colon's avg play isn't helped by the fact that Mangold is on the decline so there are wide gaps between the two for defenders to pressure Geno. The combination of poor personnel at skill positions, injuries / suspensions to RB's and TE's and neither Holmes nor Kerley being healthy at crunch time in the season coupled with a Rookie QB that can't read defenses, can't find open receivers, can't feel pressure even when its right in front of him, can't throw accurately unless he's in perfect position to throw, has no internal clock etc. has led to this. What O coordinator is going to come up with a game plan that features the run with an average at best O line, defenses stacking the box because they know Geno can't beat them, TE's that are hurt or too slow to beat defenders in the short game etc.? The flaw of MM is that he isn't rolling Geno out to create time and throwing lanes and options to allow him to run. He needs to do this but aside from that its like going to a gun fight with a pocket knife as your weapon. btw.. most of the teams that they beat this year are all finesse teams (ATL, NO, NE) that haven't performed well against strong defenses and have offenses that aren't pounding offenses. In the Buffalo game they had 8 sacks on Manuel and still nearly blew the game. In the Tampa game Freeman was awful and a dumb penalty allowed the Jets to win. They don't have a win against a good solid team smash-mouth type team all year. I thought with a bit of luck they could get to 8-8 so even if they finish up 2-2 to get to 7-9 this season is still pretty much on target for my expectations. The problem is I see nothing positive on offense to say they're on the right track. You know damn well if Rex does survive this year he's going hard and heavy to get corners next year so his coveted D doesn't look like the embarrassment its been the last few weeks. That means yet another year of ignoring the offense and that alone is a cause to rethink whether Rex should stay regardless of how they finish up the season.
So Favre, one of the greatest QBs ever to play the game didn't like Schottenheimer? What a shocker. How many other players hated Schottenheimer calling plays?
who said he didn't like him? they changed the O to please Favre and in turn Favre sabotaged our season.
Damn, tough crowd. 1 losing record in 4 years, 4 playoff wins ALL ON THE ROAD and 2 AFCG appearances is not much of a track record?
You know damn well if Rex does survive this year he's going hard and heavy to get corners next year so his coveted D doesn't look like the embarrassment its been the last few weeks. That means yet another year of ignoring the offense and that alone is a cause to rethink whether Rex should stay regardless of how they finish up the season.[/QUOTE] i love how everyone thinks rex is in total control of the draft picks. idzic used 6 straight picks on the offense last year, do you think rex was screaming for all/any of those? you think he was dieing to have another rookie qb going in to this season? this theory about rex having so much control is patently false.he may have been a heavier force with tanny (no pun intended?) but its pretty obvious idzic was the shot caller this past draft and that he has a plan.
totally agree. majority of reasons i hear to fire Rex is lack of talent, which just shows me there are a ton of frustrated fans on a witch hunt. if he should be blamed for losses due to lack of talent, shouldn't he be credited for wins with same lack of talent? either way, he wasn't in charge of building the roster..
No, that was an excuse. he was healthy enough to manage that weak schedule. he struggled most of the year, had a good stretch in November before falling apart in December. he never wanted to be here and was busy helping packer opponents prepare fro GB when he should have been in our playbook. If he brought the same passion and commitment he brought to Minny we may have won the SB that year.
we are starting to see how these discussions breakdown. "he wasn't in charge" doesn't mean he had no input. however at the end of the day the g.m. is the one who stands for the transactions. good or bad.
We were dominating the league until he tore his bicep tendon in his shoulder. Let's see how well you can throw the ball with the same injury and if it's an excuse.
we weren't dominating anything, we had one great game at Tennessee. we split w/ cassell led NE wining in OT the 2nd time. His arm was fine, his problem was making poor decisions which he did all year long. he made a career out of being the iron man so he doesn't get the injury excuse.
Let's be honest, the biggest mistake has been thinking you can win by building a dominant defense and ignoring the offense. You can't win with role players at every skill position on the offensive side of the ball. Especially with a rookie behind center.
