You have to be kidding. The trenches of a pro football game are a horrible, nasty place where players will inflict all kinds of physical damage to others at the bottom of the pile in an effort to give their team a better chance to win. Skill, talent, and technique are all well and good until someone bigger and stronger punches you in the face. There is no way someone just showing up for their paycheck is going to cut it there.
(Other than his lawyer) I hope he confided in someone impartial. There's being forthright and then there's bullying and it has absolutely no place in sport let alone society.
I am not sure either way on that one but so far here are the pictures the press is circulating: Jonathan Martin Richie Incognito
Let Miami deal with this crap. We don't need either of these guys, and I really don't think ordering code reds against half the Jets roster is going to help win games.
there are plenty of examples of lineman that would prove you wrong. Hell, Orlando Pace is a HOFer, he never had that nasty meanstreak or a love of football.
Retardo Incognito? No. Btw, Stephen Ross just announced (live on ESPN right now) formation of a committee whose purpose will be to keep the players on the straight & narrow and to make the Miami Dolphins "the best franchise in the NFL." Ross also to fly to meet with Jonathan Martin on Wednesday. Members to include Dan Marino, Jayson Taylor and ....... Curtis Martin. hmy:
Curtis Martin was a Patriot and a Jet. If there anyone who should not want the Dolphins to be the best franchise in the NFL you would think it should be him.
Martin will probably never play another down in the NFL ever again. Teams are going to question his toughness, and toughness is incredibly important at the left tackle position- which is widely considered the most important position on the offensive line (they play right tackle for left-handed QBs. Whatever- the blindside tackle.) I think teams will be more careful about taking softer spoken guys on the O and D lines in the future, that will be the main takeaway here- you don't want an introvert guarding your QB's blind side- you want a ferocious, angry MF-er who will get 1 inch from your face, eyes bulging with hate, screaming at the top of his lungs. Yet, someone who can keep that demon in check and not get into legal problems or hurt the team. I firmly believe that you cannot change someone's basic personality type once they're adults. If someone isn't tough after going through Pop Warner football, middle school football, a highly ranked high school football program, and then a highly ranked college football program- they are never going to be tough. By the time they reach the NFL level, they are who they are. As an organization, the best that you can do is to avoid guys with extreme asshole personalities, and ban hazing / be aware of what is going on with the team and intervene when necessary. The Dolphins have shown very weak leadership, making Incognito a "team leader" despite his reputation as the dirtiest or second dirtiest player in the league (him and Suh) and despite the alleged incident at a charity golf event in 2012. If they knew he was calling teammates the n-word, threatening to murder their family members and gang-rape their sisters, yet told him to harass Martin to try to "toughen him up" then they are both immoral and morons. Guys like Martin aren't cut from that cloth, they will shrivel up under pressure/adversity, the way to get through to them is to nurture/reassure/encourage them. If they didn't know that Incognito was that kind of guy, then that's even worse because they have no clue what's going on in their locker room. Either way, the Dolphins' coaching staff has made terrible blunders and has shown incompetence, in my opinion. Incognito isn't really that great of a player anymore, he's on the decline and was not going to get re-signed next year anyway, so they're ditching him now. We don't need or want him, and the last thing we need in the Jets locker room is someone who will stir up trouble and damage the team's chemistry. I say: PASS on both.
Ross said his "Personnel Committee" would originally be a 5-member clan, to be increased to 7 and eventually 9 members. Besides Dan "oops, forgot to strap my shit" Marino, Jason Taylor and Curtis Martin, the two other committe members will be Tony "No Cussing!" Dungy and of course, Don "Tarp Money" Shula. :finssuck:
I'll take Martin. No excuses for that kind of language and the mindset in NFL locker rooms. Number one it's a workplace and football players (for me) get no passes in terms of conduct and behavior. They're adults not high school kids and are expected to act like adults. You can see with the Dolphins players plus some other NFL players interviewed the stubbornness and anger about what they perceive as the sanctity of what they consider to be an off limits place where they can make up their own rules and laws. And do whatever they want. We've seen guys tied up to goal posts and all kinds of other stupid things. And then there's extortion: making players spend thousands of dollars as a tribute to veterans. I even heard Richie interviewed before all this happened last season about how the OL guys expected Tannehill to buy all of them jets skies which must have cost plenty. And he wasn't asking him to buy them he was telling him to buy them. Just go to work and respect everyone else's ability to make a living without all of this crap. These guys are not above the law at work or outside of work.
This thread is complete and utter doodoo. Yeah that's my input, and it's arguably better than the original post.
If they are really plan on doing something serious with their committee, they should avoid one franchise dominating its membership. Try to keep it maximum 1 ex-Dolphin. Also, what kind of moral committee would include Don Shula as a member & expect to be taken seriously?
Both are a waste of roster space. Incognito can play, but is a fuckin idiot and terrible human. J Martin will never be accepted in a locker room again.
Or teams will police the locker room and get the best players out there available. You can be tough and not be an asshole. Assholes tear apart a locker room, quiet guys who go about their business and get it done do not. This is quite evident by what has transpired, had Martin been left to just play the game none of this would have went on.
Colon fills that "linemen with some attitude" role without doing things to blow up the locker room. No thanks on Incognito. I'd consider Martin though, he's young, was a high pick and protected Andrew Luck's blindside at Stanford.
