I think you're underrating Greene a little here. He wasn't the best RB in the league, but he was solid. At least now he'll be in a situation where he can not be the main option which should bode well for him. McKnight was supposed to be LT's replacement, smh.
A 4th rounder with a troubled history is in no way an appropriate replacemnt for a future HOF'er. And Shonn Greene is mediocre at best. I'd say he's a top 25 back in the league.
McKnight and LT had similar skill set. The Jets figured that a few years of watching LT plus sitting on the sidelines developing would be enough for when he's given a chance to step in. This obviously backfired. As for Greene he's an average RB. Better suited as part of a platoon, or backing up an elite rusher like CJ, or if he has to start he would be better suited on passing teams like the Packers or Falcons.
I understand what you're saying, just pointing out another mis-evaluation by the Tanny administration there. I liked Greene when his role was suplemental. He should fair well behind CJ.
Trollish comment? If everyone was healthy you have a collection of former 3rd and 4th string running backs. I don't think having the opinion that that sucks is so radical as to be trollish. It's perfectly legitimate to feel that a collection of guys who have not accomplished anything and were also undrafted free agents or not high round guys is a bad situation, healthy or not.
There are like 5 running backs in the entire NFL who are game changers. The rest are largely products of the O-line/system around them & fortunate health. Additionally,there have been plenty of young Rbs who have come out of nowhere after a change of scenery or organizational reshuffling to become productive consistent entities. Many of them late draft picks or undrafted. Every one of the Jet RBs bring a unique skill to the table. Collectively they appear to be quite complimentary of one another. Still, it will come down to the blocking in front of them & the system around them. If RB is the team's biggest problem the Jets are very lucky. Try again Jet hater.
Goodson is most likely in a rehab facility. You get busted for pot and being drunk out of your mind, you probably need help and have a problem. That's my guess, and since Idzik can't (by HIPPA law) say anything about something like that, well you get the picture.
I read on NFL.com or somewhere that Ivory won't play on Friday but says he will for sure be 100% up to speed by Tuesday. I hope he's right, that would be a huge boost for us. Hopefully he can make it into the week 2 preseason game (which I think is a Saturday) so we can see him in action.
Don't get me wrong, I've seen you make some balanced arguments lately, as opposed to last season, but this was a stupid comment. The Jets' RB situation, if all of them are healthy, is head and shoulders better than it was last season. You don't need runningbacks that have accomplished anything to have a promising situation at RB. I've seen people throw around this "Plug N Play" term far too much on this board lately, but if there is ever going to be a position that suits the term, it's RB. The Jets had a top running game in '09 with Thomas Jones, a career journeyman, as their starter. Leon Washington was an explosive playmaker that was limited in the sets he could run. Shonn Greene was a young rookie that got dinged up early and often because of his running style. In 2010, the Jets had a fast-fading Tomlinson, an again oft-injured Shonn Greene, and Joe McNugget. The only constants between those two successful running games is that they had an offensive line that could run-block effectively and Tony Richardson at FB. In 2011 and 2012 the Jets' FB and OL situations fluctuated because they wanted to go youth and ended up having it blow up in their faces. Shonn Greene, LT, Powell and McNugget played 2011, last year it was Greene, McNugget and Powell. The constant in those two seasons was the flux at OL and the starting of John Connor at RB. You're acting like the experience of runningbacks is something to be desired. It's a position that has a very short halflife. If you want a consistently effective running game... a situation that doesn't "suck"... the constant isn't experience or past success at RB, it's consistent run blocking. Kurt's right, you're hating. Probably without knowing it.
even if all our HBs our healthy our run game is at best average. we dont have great blocking or a passing game to take pressure off the run game. its not an asset for us
Back when this thread was started. Now Griffin is out as well, which leaves us with Powell, Spann, Madu and Mcknight. Goodson may or may not play for us, no one really knows. Ivory has a hammy which we all know can re-surface at any time. Had we had some kind of running game the Lions game may have looked a bit more different. The one good thing to come out of this is that the WR corps all got a good outing. Do we need to panic yet?........well when would be a good time?
Ivory will be full go next week. You panic if he gets hurt for the season. Until then we are fine. While Griffin looked good camp he never had a realistic shot at makimg the team this year.
Ivory: Yeah probably. The one heartening thing is that he's not being rushed in. Hamstrings are notorious for re-tearing, so they better make sure he's at 100%. My one concern is that he's untried as a starter, and now with possibly of the extra burden that Goodson will not show up until.......? Will have a heavier load to carry. Why are we perpetually thin at the easiest hole to fill in the team?
Not sure if Ivory will be good to play against the Jags but I hope so. I'm still worried about the position. I'm taking the position that I'm going to worry about it until I have reason not to worry and not the other way around.
Ivory claims that he will be practicing next week. And he does not have a torn hammy, he had a sore hammy. Big difference. There is no reason to rush back from that.
