You don't make a habbit of attacking other posters? Funny thing, calling people trolls among other names I guess in your book doesn't qualify as an attack. But yes, I do single you and Junc out a little, but it's because the facts don't support your arguments and your using exactly the same arguments with the same projections for success that you used last year, despite what the evidence demonstrates. Yes the Jets hung 48 on the Bills, and as I pointed out in that same thread It was one game against a suspect defense. Tell me, even before the injuries, how did Sanchez fare the next couple of games? As for claiming who won the battle between Schotty and Sparano...that was one game, hardly conclusive. But let me ask you the better question, which one still has his job after only 1 year? Let me ask you another question, which one led the better offense last year? Regarding the Injuries, It's the NFL, injuries happen all the time. Good QB play makes the fill in's better, bad QB's...well we saw what happened. And regarding the jets winning 6 games..it was a lucky 6. Stats back it all up, and in the end stats don't lie.
Luck was considered one of the best QB prospects of the past 10-20 years coming out of the draft. To say no one expected that kind of success would be an understatement, though I do suspect not many expected the Colts to reach the playoffs. There is a big difference between being the highest rated QB in a draft that didnt see a QB taken in the top 10 and being rated the best prospect of the last decade or so. That said I have high hopes for Geno, he's been consistantly accurate overall during his collegiate career and taken good care of the ball over that 4 year period. It's extremely unlikely that he'll reach RG III or Luck stature, but Russell wilson level I could easily see and be very happy with that. It's also not clear if Geno will be starting the season or not, since we are making projections on this season.
Eh, we should have lost the Miami and Arizona games. However, we should have beaten New England and Tennessee. Add that Houston game, and we could have done slightly better at 7-9.
I called a troll, a troll. I didnt call you one. Here's a clue. Go back about a day or so, click on the trolls screen name. Then click on fond more posts. 1/2 , to 3/4 tare direct insults at wither me or junc, with little or no argument whatsoever.thats trolling. Im happy to state and or defend my opinion all the live long day, going asshole, generally draws the ire of the mods. So lets agree to disagree agreeably :beer: As for Sanchez, yes, you did point out Buffalo is suspect defensively, and Sanchez had a shit year. But the whole offense was shit. No QB could function, under those circumstances. Its my opinion, Red Zone Sanchez from 2011, is the player Marty can bring out, which is why I go the the St.Louis game, because its roughly the same thing he will be asked to do.... Schotty sucked, since they brought him in, and I admitted I was wrong about Sparano, because I didnt think any one with a pulse, could be worse than Schotty. (and in TheSt.Louis game.....you see Bradford looking like Sanchez.,,scary.bad int to Smith on a late toss outside the numbers, strip sack...so on and so forth)
True, but when your a team that struggled as much or as often as the Jets struggled and really you can track that back to the 2011 season as well. Look at the teams the Jets beat to get to 8-8. The Cowboys, who finished 8-8. The Jaguars who finished 5-11. The Dolphins who finished 6-10 The Chargers who finished 8-8 The Bills, twice, who finished 6-10 The Redskins who finished 5-11 and the Chiefs who finished 7-9. Not one team the Jets beat was better than .500 in 2011. In 2012 The Jets never even beat a team that was even .500 The last time teh Jets beat a team with better than a .500 record in the regular season was December 19th, 2010. Speaking of 2010, in the regular season of the teams 11 wins only 2 came against teams with winning records. (that's read soft schedule). In 2009 they actually did fairly well agaisnt teams with winning recordsWith 4 out of 9 wins being against teams over .500. But think about this, under Rex Ryan and Mark Sanchez in 4 full seasons of regular season play the Jets have beaten teams with a .500 record or better at the end of the season a total of 6 times, only 2 times in the last 3 seasons.And one of those wins was the game that Manning Sat for the whole second half and basically gave the game to the Jets...(they still had to earn the win but taking Manning out to sit him was a huge concession of the game for the colts, that and resting a number of starters) Clearly, in hindsight, the writing was on the wall going back to 2010.
The "winner" sanchez has only beaten, in the regular season, 6 teams with winning records in his career, 4 of them in 2009 and one of the wins in 2010 was the game the colts basically surrendered..but a wins's a win. 2 times in 3 seasons has Sanchez led the Jets to regular season victory over teams with winning records at the end of the season..one of those a game the other team basically gave up on to rest their starters. zero wins in his last two seasons against teams over .500. And don't say well in teh playoffs..... have to win in the regular season to get there, the jets in 2010 just got hot at the right time. 2009 was the best team, and that was when Sanchez did the least.
But I am done picking on your Hobbes points have been made on both sides, we'll just see what bears out as correct over the preseason and during the season.
You are 100% correct. That being said, beating 1 team with a winning record in two years is sad. Hopefully we start to change that horrible trend this year.
Well, just to be clear..,i already have Garrard not making it to opening day, on my side f the ledger. :wink:
People are under this assumption that the Jets will only win a championship when they are a juggernaut on paper. Now overall roster talent is important & being deep is what to strive for..but this is the NFL. How many teams that have won over the last several years didn't have a single hole on their roster? I'm convinced this team will finally get over the hump when we least expect it. I don't really understand this notion of "complete rebuild" & "Borderline expansion team". Those terms mean UDFA'S starting at multiple spots, swiss cheese O-line & holes across the entire roster. I really don't see that. Are there alot of unknowns & some guys who need to step up? Yes there are. Do they have a few positions where they could use some help? Yes. But all teams have those. Everybody is down about this offense & think it will be the Jets demise. It certainly was last year. But what was the biggest problem? As bad as they were, they still moved the ball down field. The biggest problem was self inflicted wounds IE Turnovers,penalties, mental mistakes.Who knows how many games the Jets wouldve won last year if you eliminated even half the turnovers, Now that's a whole different thing to improve upon than an inept offense that can't move the ball. If the jets eliminate the self inflicted stuff & are only AVERAGE offensively..this team has chance. Rex's D is that good
Because of the way the season unraveled, it's easy to forget that at one point we were a Steven Hill catch away from beating New England. That was without Revis and Holmes. I agree if we can limit turnovers this team is not as bad as it may look on paper. There is ample reason to be hopeful if one is inclined to.
While I admire the optimism in this thread and always hope for the best, I'm expecting a pretty shitty record this season......albeit less frustrating and painful to watch than the last. Hopefully my gut is wrong.....
Everyone discounts that. So, to recap...sanchez can beat Freeman,Brady,the Jills,and Lockyer. Marty is not going to run an outdated offense, and for a change the offense has a chance to be equal to the defense.
That's a simplistic view. Especially since Sanchez plays against the opposing team's DEFENSE. So yes, Sanchez has a decent chance of beating the Bills and Tennessee's defense, and a slightly below average chance of beating Tampa Bay's and New England's defense.
Can we stop with that defense canard. We all know that. The point is, in three of the first four games, trotting out Sanchez is an advantage at QB, and can win the remaining game. Talk about simplistic...sanchez has a better chance against Tampon Bay, than Freeman does agains Rex.And NE has an average defense. Our problem with them is their offense.
