Ok so we finally have a pretty good idea of what this offense is going to look like aside from the inevitable QB competition that admittedly could change the offensive identity pretty drastically depending on who comes out on top to start. That aside it is clear that we shored up an offensive line that was in desperate need of young blood and depth and the draft showed a resounding statement that the WR corps will be relied upon to be strong enough not to go reaching for a less than ideal long term addition to the roster. While Holmes and Kerley are neither ideal options at #1 or 3 they are good enough to hold their own and get some decent production. With a little bit of luck Hill will improve his catching enough this year to be viewed as a strength relative to the unit rather than a weakness for his position as he was last year. Maybe wishful thinking but saying that is a lot different than saying he'll be a top 10 #2 receiver I think, so it may not be too outlandish. If not we can probably bring a cheap vet in cheap such as Braylon if the group is too pitiful on their own. Anyway I think things get interesting if Geno does start or take over effectively. He shows that he can make all of the throws for WCO and be mobile/elusive enough to help out a bit with his feet. The problem is that we don't really have YAC receivers and maybe Hill still won't be that much of a threat if you don't send him downfield every other play which doesn't exactly fit to the tune of the offense especially without above average short options. Maybe the offense could gain a little more identity if we can grab a decent FA TE that comes available but so far it hasn't happened. I really like our draft and moving forward but will admit it's a little hard to envision just how this offense is going to function effectively next year given the new direction. On the other hand, it might be best for the franchise if Sanchez can turn his career around a little bit in his last chance with the new system. I don't think he can ever be our true franchise QB anymore given everything that has happened during his development and the type of psychological reactions that were elicited in him, however he still could be valuable for everyone including himself if he has a pretty good season. It would give Geno a year to sit on the bench and it would give us trade value to fence Sanchez or even potentially Geno if we don't like his development and can draft a better option again next year to then keep Sanchez one more year before trading him. If something like that happens then Sanchez will be pretty familiar with the offense and his targets but will have a better OL to protect him than the past 2 years. Still interesting to see how everyone's roles would change in the new offensive scheme though. Obviously the running game should be much improved with Ivory/Goodson/Powell over Greene/Powell/McKnight last year. Guess I would like this thread to talk about ways you see the offense changing and what roles people will take on with or without success? How to somehow piece together decent play at TE or whether we'll be doomed for yet another anemic offense again this year even if we do have a lot of important pieces in place finally? Thoughts?
I had to stop at you stating Kerley not being an ideal #3? He is exactly what you want in the slot, and showed a big jump in production from his freshman to sophmore years. If he gets the same kind of production jump to year three - he will be a 1,000 yard receiver.
He's never going to be a gamebreaking slot receiver like Welker. He's a far better #3 than Holmes is a #1 or Hill is a #2 at the moment...but he's almost as far from being a true top slot receiver.
I certainly can see that happening and really believe the Jets brass are hoping this will be the case. Those saying that Mark will be gone before training camp, have no clue how a business is run , especially when you have 8 mil tied up with 1 player. It's to their advantage that Mark succeeds, and also to the team. Ok, Mark rebounds as has a really good season, they have some good options at their disposal. They can deal him for draft picks or what ever works. The only drawback is if what happens if Mark has a real good season? That will be interesting, because then a true QB controversy will be underway. Media would be all over that.
Here's the problem when people use nominal valuations like top or good; they're confusing because it's difficult to know what you mean by top. They're 32 teams in the league. When you say "true top slot receiver" are you referring to the #1 slot receiver or the top 1/3 of the league or the top 1/2? I would challenge you to name 16 better slot receivers or even 10. If you can't your reasoning falls on its face unless you mean top as #1.
Our offense will look drastically different based on who is under center. The west coast offense with sanchez under center is a disaster... even if you like sanchez, it just played to his weaknesses. Sanchez 2 biggest issues: short accuracy & decision making. both of these are absolutely curcial in the WCO. Garrard on the other hand is very accurate, poised, and makes good decisions. outside of that, i think our skill players are well suited for it. Kerley/holmes/gates are all quick shifty players who can get you YAC. And ivory gives you better hands then greene did. either way, our offense wont be good. if garrard or geno start it should be better then last year, but still ugly. hopefully we are able to cut down on turnovers and give our D a chance to keep us in and win games for us. uphill battle either way.
The decision on Sanchez is pretty simple. And it really doesn't have much to do with the 8 Million he is owed this season. It basically comes down to, do the jets prefer to: 1) Cut Sanchez prior to june 1st, absorb his entire cap hit, accelerated to this year, and have him completely cleared from the books and counting ZERO against our cap in 2014 and beyond. We also would save a million or so in roster bonuses, but that amout is negligable. or 2) keep sanchez, start him, and hope he raises his value enough to get someone to give you a day 3 draft pick for him. So basically, what is more important Cap space in 2014 or a mid to late draft pick in 2014. with us having a full compliment of picks, and likely also getting the max amount of compensatory picks, i dont think a pick would be valued more then the 4-5 million in extra cap room to work with.
Bring back Braylon Edwards. That and a starting caliber TE will actually make this year somewhat something to look forward to.
That comes into play more than you can guess. If Woody decided from previous issues with Revis that he wasn't going to retain him for the sum amount that Revis demanded, why would he pay Sanchez 8 mil to walk away? That's would be pretty dam hypocritical. The 2 decisions would be inconsistent to what we should give the Jets credit for, and that is being of sound mind to bring Sanchez into camp and let him battle it out. Not only would he earn his pay, but allow the Jets more room for negotiating a trade for pick or whatever, the case may be. Not only that, it would give Geno some time on the sidelines to learn the WCO. You don't bring in a rookie QB to expect him learn a new system right away enough to be the day 1 starter. Jets may state that want a competing QB camp, but even they are no that inane. Live with thew idea that Sanchez will be in camp - his job to lose it. That's the only viable option at this point. Jets win in many ways if Sanchez is successful.
That is really comparing apples and oranges. cutting sanchez and eating 8M would be a means to an end to free up cap room in 2014. not wanting to pay revis for financial reasons is completely different. With revis it is about committing further into the future, committing significantly more money, and having no gaurantee he wont hold out again. With mark it is all about what you value more as a franchise: Cap savings in 2014, or draft picks and giving him another chance to increase his value. the point about geno smith is moot. you can bench him a year wether mark is on the team or not.
cutting him is an option. having 40+ milion in cap room next year due to the cap savings is certainly something to be strongly considered. obviously there are pros to sanchez staying and being succesful. you could get maybe a 4th rounder or something for him via trade, and eat less money on him. but with all the extra picks we will have, id doubt that is as big a value for them
I would love having 40+ million in cap space, that would be awesome, we could help fill a couple holes, but don't overspend!
The kid is a very good slot receiver. Think I could name 10 people that are better at the moment but it's not the point. I'll give 4 names instead. Welker, Cruz, Harvin, Austin. We missed out on Tavon over a savvy Bills trade back which is fine but it means that we weren't able to add possibly the most dynamic slot receiver to play the game. But Kerley just doesn't really compare to any of those names. He might get very solid production and maybe he will eventually solidify himself as a top 10 slot receiver which would be great. He'll never strike fear into DC's or singlehandedly tear a defense to shreds like those guys can. He'll never be so good that the team's other WR's produce significantly more because he's overcoming double teams. He's very good but he will never carry the unit. Just to hammer the point home let's pretend that we got Austin at 9. Kerley wouldn't have exactly been out the door but his role on the team would have been a big question mark overnight. He's probably not a better receiver than Holmes yet especially on the outside. He might fight with Hill for reps on the other side but that isn't really good for us since we need Hill to develop to reach his higher ceiling. Now pretend it's 2 years from now. Hill has panned out and we drafted Holmes' (presumably better) replacement in the 2014 draft. Who is the weak link now? Kerley once again and every year we're going to be looking to grab a TavonAustin2.0 as WR's in that mold become more plentiful coming out of college. Kerley needs to produce to the level of some of the optimistic analysis of people in this thread or he could easily be fighting for a place on our roster in a couple of years. Maybe I'm wrong and he'll start to produce close to top 5 slot receiver stats if he gets a real QB throwing to him. Hopefully that's the case but he would be looking pretty worthless right now if he didn't get good production last year with that joke of a WR unit. He was the only realistic target for most of the year.
Then everyone vested with the team wins. Mark turning his career around in Wig's WCO yields the highest value for the team overall. Geno can be a viable #2 backup and we can always display him for picks and go for a real Franchise QB next draft. We can get a #5 for Mark and let Geno take over next year. Or Geno can develop properly behind Mark while Mark is being successful and eventually take over in a few years like Aaron Rodger did for Brett. I think Edwards and an FA TE should be added. While I like the youth movement, as others have said, Santonio is too fragile and it gives Hill an opportunity to develop into a true #2. Gates and the rest can be good additions if they perform. But I would go the Idzik route and let everyone compete for the position, Holmes, Edwards, the UDFAs we got, FA's, whomever. The OL should be improved over last year. If Winters is Slaw's equal or better, we already improved. Replacing Moore and Austin with better performers is icing on the cake.
i get austin is highly rated,but i am not ready to list him as a top slot wr just yet. lets let him catch a pass first. secondly, kerley had good production on a horrible team with a terrible qb and was basically the only talented option on the field most of the time. i thiink you are selling him short. i won't put him up there with welker but don't start listing rookies above him either
I get that Austin kicked major ass in college. Yay for him, and I really do hope the kid does well in the pros. But its horseshit and pure speculation as to what he will do in the NFL. The league is littered with can't miss prospects that .... well they missed. Welker, Harvin, Cruz ... those names I can give you since they have done it. Until Austin does it - lets leave him off the list. I would say that Kerley has every chance to put his name towards the top of the list .... this is year three coming up which is the year MOST players start to produce big. There are always freaks that break that mold. Welker took five years before he had a better season that Kerley just produced.
I might be selling Kerley a little bit short, (although I actually think he's a very good roleplayer and wouldn't mind him being a starter for the next 5 years at all) but I'm pretty sure that you're underselling Tavon at least as much. What is the highest slot receiver ever taken in the history of the draft? Guessing Tavon is the highest pick in history or very close to it. Yeah you can say the top end of the draft was light which is true but in a way I'm kind of surprised that Austin even made it to the Bills pick in the first place with the way everybody started buzzing about him the week of the draft. He'll have to be one of the best slot receivers in the modern era or else he'll be seen as a bust or at least not worth the pick. The thing is that he's probably very likely to live up to that value because he's such a complete and explosive receiver.
I hope you're right but he just doesn't seem to be explosive like those guys to me. He should be very good at his position but I don't see him being an elite slot receiver while you guys have all but crowned him I guess. Time will tell.
Bring in Braylon and 2-3 more TE's for competition and we will have some upside. Should be able to run the ball, Should be able to protect the quarterback, and it's all about luck I like how young we have become and can't wait to see what is going to happen
I don't expect us to add any playmakers this year. maybe bring Braylon back, but next year we have a lot of room. could go after Jimmy Graham. maybe Maclin or Cruz too.
