When you look at that big board as a New York Jets fan you have to be pumped because it looks like there is a great chance we are going to be able to grab a potentially elite pass rusher in this draft. Judging on how last years draft went if Rex gets his way I think he would go with Ansah with our first pick..since he has some similarities to how people viewed Coples last year. Granted we need some help at guard but with a Top 10 pick and so many pass rushers in the top ten you would have to assume that is what we are going to do.. especially with so many holes at OLB... you guys agree...who would you like and why? Griff
my top 5 is similar, but some spots are changed around. 1. Joeckel 2. Jones 3. Warmack 4. Fisher 5. Moore
Looks like we may be able to trade down for additional picks and still do well. If we keep the pick In order of preference I'd go BPA that is a lock at 1) OL 2) OLB 3)DL
Hey everyone, what are your opinions on Sharrif Floyd? I don't see much special from him. He was downright ordinary vs. Louisville, but he's rated very highly in a number of places. What am I missing? Thanks.
Considering needs at QB, OG, RB, TE, OLB, S, as well as depth needs at OT, ILB, OLB again.... the Jets should just stick to their own BPA. Only position acceptable to reach slightly on would be QB, if for some reason they are rating Geno Smith as 1st round talent. He wouldnt be there if they traded back. Personally i'm liking what i'm hearing regarding Jones especially. If he's gone, and they think Warmack is a perennial pro bowler in the making, i have no problem taking a OG. Second round i'm really hoping Lacy or Gio falls to our pick.. If not, there will be good Olineman, TE's, and Safetys probably sitting there. Maybe even taking a shot at QB. In short, when you need help in so many positions, sticking to BPA should work out best for them.
Floyd is a D-Rob level prospect who played in a better program with better players around him. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him jump up into the top 10 with a hot combine. I wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole though. He had his career game in his last game in a bowl as a junior. Other than that he looks like a good prospect but nothing special.
Sorry, I'm not a Jets guy... D-Rob is this guy? Thanks for the opinions, guys. :up: Anybody have something positive to say about him?
Yeah, Dewayne Robertson is the 2nd round prospect who shot up draft boards in 2003 after tearing up the combine. The Jets wound up trading the 13 and the 22 and a 4th to move up to the 4 to take him. That move was the single biggest factor in the collapse in 2005 in my opinion because the Jets bundled so much value into a guy who was a good player but not a star.
You are wrong about D rob's draft value & this has been discussed at length in the past. The day D rob declared he was considered a top 20 prospect. While his workouts did spring him up into the top 5 overall it was his pro day that had the attracive workout numbers. Additionally, every single one of his metric scores from Strength, body fat, Speed, etc was vastly superior to other DT prospects..which was thought to be a strength of that class as well as the Jets biggest need. Furthermore the consensus was he had the best film out of the DT's specifically considering the lack of talent he had around him at Kentucky compared to Jon Sullivan(GA), Jimmy Kennedy(PSU) Kevin Williams(OK State) & William Joseph (Miami U). How does best film combined w/ best metrics equal 2nd rounder? D rob actually was a productive player for the Jets...and during the 05 playoff run might've been the Jets best player on D. Both Bill Cowher & Marty Schottenheimer raved about his 3T ability post playoff match-ups against the jets during that season. D'rob's shortcomings were the switch to the 3-4 under Mangini which was a poor fit..and the degenerative knee condition. He was never worth a top 5 pick....very few DTs ever are. But he's not the bust he's made out to be.
Where did I say he was a bust? He was a 2nd round talent that got leap-frogged up the chain by a great combine. He was not a top 20 talent when he declared. He was evaluated as a top 50 talent and then just kept rising as his combine performance was over-weighted. This is a lot like the Stephen Hill conundrum. People forget that before the combine last year he was a 4th round pick in most people's estimation. Some people had him going a round earlier and some a round later but basically he was an after thought. You can go look at the pre-combine scouting reports online and he's a 4th round pick. Then you look at what people were saying after the combine and he's moved up to a 2nd round pick on a lot of people's boards. Because he looked good in his skivvies. Despite the fact that his college numbers and the offense he was trained to play in don't suggest he'll be a great NFL player. D-Rob was a 2nd team SEC player at Kentucky his junior year. There was no expectation that he would be a star player in the NFL. He had a nagging injury that was expected to make his career shorter than it might otherwise be. He went to the combine and blew people away with his metrics and everybody forgot the salient facts that he just wasn't a star in college and he had a bone-on-bone condition going on also. He wasn't a bust. He was a decent player who was actually quite good for a couple of seasons at his peak. But he also wasn't a star and there is no way in hell he should have been picked on the 4, especially in a trade-up to do so. BTW, you should *never* pick somebody who was not a major star in college in the top ten of the NFL draft. That pick is like solid gold and you need to get somebody about whom there are no questions asked. Picking a project that you think you can train up to be a star in that range of the draft is about the most stupid thing that anybody can do. It's like walking into Starbucks and throwing a $20 on the counter for a latte because that latte might just be the best-tasting latte you've ever had.
I would extend that thought process for essentially entire first round. The Jets need to get better at evaluating guys based on tape. What i want to hear in regards to our first 2 picks: "he jumps off the tape when watching him play" "plays well against good competition" "high motor, never gives up on a play" What i don't want to hear in regards to our first 2 picks: "raw, but a lot of potential" "stock rose up due to 40time" "could be a project" "didn't have a great junior/senior year" "not the best motor. might need coaches to motivate"
