This is why we need a good GM. The GM and the coach will decide how important certain players are and the contracts jets can afford to give them. I love all the arm chair GMs though it is good reading. I think the Jets maybe missing the boat on who to hire for GM we obviously have some qualified candidates rt on these boards.
Revis must be traded, no money, showed we can play without him. We don't knno how well he will come back, but we do know how much money he will want. So long and may we get some good draft picks. If you think we can aford him ($12M a year) when we already have Cro under contract, think again. We can buy 3 very good veteran FA for that money and draft two high players with the picks for him (Two 1st or 1,2,2 over the next two years.) If you say we can't get those picks for him, then he doesn't deserve over 10M a year anyways to prove the point.
I'm not saying a corner is not important, I'm saying a 14+ million corner is not one of our priorities, but it may be for another team. We can't stop the run, we can't cover TE's, we can't score points... Having Revis adds nothing to our game at this point, but it does hamper our chances of improving other aspects of the team.
How much cap money can this team tie up in corners? I like Revis, but he will hold out for big bucks for sure.
Isn't it frigging enough for the Tebow trailer trash to have a whole separate message board here at TGG for them to worship this useless POS without them trying to.derail every frigging other thread at this place with their mouth breathing ignorance?
ok devils advocate here ---- Do you really think that other defenses and NOT OURS are the only ones that have brain farts or that make bonehead plays and that OUR coaches would never allow stuff you saw yesterday to happen to our Jets ? Our coach and coaches never allow our defenders to be put in bad positions , I mean our offense is pathetic but our " D " is lites out right ? Thats why Cromartie let Wallace twirl him around and catch that blooper worthy TD ! Thats why Bart Scott continually is chasing down RB's who are scoring TD's ! AND our coaches never put our guys in bad positions -and our players are always on top of things--see Eric Smith on Gates ! Teams make bad plays,,it happens,,,when it happens in a big spot or playoff game it is magnified. PS I love Revis but if we can get a boatload for him ,,,,I would trade him. same for Cro--but I stray The only thing that yesterday showed is our team is like us HOME WATCHING :sad:
No, what it told me was that the common denominator for all the playoff teams is having great QBs with a strong and accurate arm, a solid running game, a solid OL and aggressive play calling. Further, the new breed of QBs will beat you both with the arm and with the run. Defenses need to be way faster on the middle and get pressure inside from the front four...no blitzes from the secondary. Single coverage DB with great skills might delay the inevitable, but not stop it.
Your opinion is no one will trade for him coming off the injury. I think you're wrong. An ACL isn't what it used to be and Revis's game isn't based on speed. We are going to suck next season, that's pretty much a given. Our pass defense was also pretty damn good this year without Revis. Obviously Revis makes the defense a little better, but I question how much.
You are making his injury out to be something horrific when it's far from it. To think that teams are not going to shell out compensation for Revis because of his ACL injury is niave. He is probably the best defensive player in the game today and we all know the kids heart can not be questioned and he will be better than ever coming off this injury. This type of injury is not as scary as it used to be, it is a common thing that people are overcoming through hard work and rehab procedures. There are several players that have come back better than ever from an injury similar to this.
The length of the deal doesn't matter if the numbers are through the roof. Say the Jets sign Revis to a 7 year $100 million dollar deal ($14.2M a year counting the bonus). Ok, so one way that teams deal with a very high number on an overall deal is to back load the contract. They give a reasonable amount in the bonus up front and then they stagger the salaries such that one or two years late in the deal have balloon payments. This inflates the overall value of the deal and makes the agent look good and the player look very highly paid when in fact the balloon payments will never be made because the club is either going to renegotiate them way down or cut the player. The cap gets impacted at the start but at a heavy discount over the average year in the deal because the player is at a low salary early in the contract and the prorated bonus is the biggest part of the cap figure. The Jets aren't likely offer this type of deal because Revis will laugh them out of the room. Another way that teams manage a huge contract is to use a large cap surplus to front load the deal and take advantage of the extra cap space available to make the contract more cap friendly down the road. Obviously this option is not on the table. So a long-term deal with a lot of money up front *and* a lot of guaranteed money in the back end of the contract seems like the only thing the Jets have to offer at this point. Revis won't laugh them out of the room if they offer him $100 million over 7 years with most if not all of it guaranteed. The Jets won't be able to fit Revis easily under the cap in 2013 or 2014 but he's already hard to handle in that regard so it would be a lateral move cap-wise now that then tied the Jets cap in knots until 2020 or so. Here's what it might look like in terms of hard compensation by year without breaking down the numerous bonuses likely to stud it: Bonus $40 million 2013 salary $840K (vet minimum) 2014 salary $855K (ditto) 2015 salary $10.305M 2016 salary $12M 2017 salary $12M 2018 salary $12M 2019 salary $12M Cap numbers would look like this: 2013 $6.55M 2014 $6.7M 2015 $16.02M 2016 $17.71M 2017 $17.71M 2018 $17.71M 2019 $17.71M That's an elite QB's numbers after year two of the deal. There's no way it works out for the Jet with numbers like that. And it will be guaranteed in a way the Jets can't get out of it. Even if they take advantage of a tear-it-all-down and rebuild year in 2016 to convert a bunch of out-year salary into bonus and take like a $25M hit that year the remaining years will still be a problem.
And this is why I think Revis could be the best CB of all time in NFL history. Just think of it. You can't touch a receiver beyond 5 yards. Imagine how many INT's he would have had back in the earlier years of the NFL when the defense was not penalized like they are today.
Bad analogy. Teams make bad plays all the time, yes. But the Broncos were happy to give up a BAD play yesterday -- like a 30-40 yard pass play. What they couldn't do is give up an INCOMPREHENSIBLY HORRENDOUS bad play. The 1 thing you are looking to do up 7 with the team 70 yards from the EZ is not get beat deep. Baltimore had no TO's left so even if they complete a 30 or 40 or 50-yard pass-play it's going to chew up 15-20 seconds unless it's an out-of-bounds play. The one thing I was taught while playing safety was NEVER get caught short on a play like that. Guy can catch a long pass, guy can get out of bounds and stop the clock, but NEVER get beat deep. Drag the guy down if needed, take the penalty. The stupid safety guy on the Broncos went for the INT on a bad-angle and had no chance. Had he played the ball for a tip, it's game over. Or 4th down.
[YOUTUBE]VKa7McUJEsg[/YOUTUBE] Say what? Where was Revis? The fact of the matter is, Jets LBs are so pitifully slow. If Bart Scott had an AVERAGE speed, that play (TD by Vereen) should have ended up in some nice gain, not a TD play. Just as much as you cannot leave good WRs in shitty CB's guidance, you cannot have shit LBs playing on field against good RBs/shift RBs/fast RBs. Your logic says Jets need to shell out 10+M on a good LB too, doesn't it? Jesus Christ.
LOL....and yeah Peyton lost the game??? What idiocy. Right...cause it wasnt a blown defensive coverage....it was Peyton.
I think you're linking independent events to give one of your comments false credibility. 1) Tebow & Jets didn't work out last season & they're gonna part ways. Who you blame & why is a whole different argument. Regardless Jets acquiring Tebow with the intention of never playing him @ QB was a mistake that everyone agrees with. Now linking that to: Peyton can't handle the cold is just nonsense. Peyton is one of the greatest QB of his generation & there's no such thing as a professional football player that can't play in cold weather. None of these guys are internet football "experts" like us simply haunting football forums. Linking it to: Peyton lost that game is even sillier. When I saw that game, was an offense that put up points to overcome a bad defensive effort. They also left the defense a 7 point lead with a whole field behind them & clock nearly zero. Then we all saw one of the dumbest plays a safety has ever made in NFL history.
you guys act like the picks we draft will be automatically good whats to stop us from selecting a charles rogers, a ryan leaf, a vernon gholston. i'm not trading the best CB in football for prospects, its not worth it
We're not going to get a player as good as Revis with the picks. That's almost a guarantee. The point is more to stop spending so much cap space on the CB position and to actually get some value for him instead of letting him walk a year later. The cap space on this team needs to be redistributed and cannot remain so top heavy. Revis is not the difference between a championship team or not next season for the Jets.
I'm with you, but Revis may not agree to that. He may want big money up front. The Jets need a GM before they can deal with these issues anyway.
