You'd think after such gems such as "the broncos will miss the playoffs" he would realize maybe his reasoning process is flawed. Unfortunately that would require good reasoning skills. It is a catch-22
Wow. Really? You are going to compare Tebow to Elway? Or to Manning? You do realize that the rules have changed significantly to favor Offenses since both Elway and Manning were rookies, right? So a direct comparison of their stats is pretty useless since they were achieved under very different circumstances... And Sanchez never posted a losing record as a starter for the Jets until that smiling, personable locker-room cancer named Tebow came on the roster and undermined Sanchez's ability to lead the Offense... College is college. Do well there and you get into the pros. After that it doesn't matter. What you do as a pro is what matters. And Tebow hasn't done much. After a 7-1 start in 2011, teams figured out the option that Denver was running and figured out Tebow. TT promptly went 1-4 after that and there's no indication that he'll ever be able to do any better than that finish... And they'll crash and burn just like the Jets did. Won't really matter if it's a crappy team like Jax. But any decent team will avoid Tebow like the plague. Which is the only real reason the Jets grabbed Tebow - for the accompanying media attention. Not for anything he can do on the field... Rex was committed to Sanchez because Sanchez has the skill set to run the conventionally constructed Jets Offense. Tebow doesn't. To match a scheme to Tebow's abilities as a QB requires that a team blow up their Offense and rebuild it as a run option squad. And if Tebow fails to deliver THEN, it means that the team has destroyed their Offense for years to come. That's why teams don't want Tebow as a starter, it's too risky. So they'd rather leapfrog Tebow entirely on the depth chart and put in a shaky QB like McElroy because at least it's a QB will a skill set that matches up with the rest of the Offense. In spite of all Tebow's talk of "doing whatever to help the team," which implies changing positions if asked, Tebow won't play full-time at any other position than QB. In high school, he jumped teams until he found one that would let him start at QB. He certainly didn't care at all about helping those teams he left and he doesn't care about helping the Jets now. All he cares about is the "Tebow brand." No. This is "bad karma" smacking the entire Jets organization in the face for signing Tebow simply to try and win a media-attention battle in NY with the Giants. They knew they were NEVER going to start Tebow. Don't blame Rex for not pounding the square peg of Tebow into the round hole on the Offense. He didn't pick that peg, it was shoved at him... That's nuts. ANY athlete who reaches the pro ranks does so because they are insanely competitive and have egos which tell them they are their team's best chance to win. ALL OF THEM. McElroy included. He would never give away HIS chance to start in the NFL because he (supposedly) thought someone else on the roster wasn't being treated right. Just like Tebow, McElroy has worked his entire life to get there and have a shot. When he gets it, he's not going to give it up without the best fight he can muster. Except Tebow won't let someone else make the big play and be the hero. If they're at the goal line, Tebow will call his own number every time. He will never let a RB take it in for a TD and take the glory. After doing just that in Denver and scoring a TD, Tebow screamed, "Nobody carries the ball here but ME!!!" So, the locker room backs Sanchez and is jealous of Tebow? That sounds like a HUGE lack of leadership on Tebow's part. Which is a big part of being a successful QB. Rex doesn't give a damn about who's under center. He cares about winning. Because if the Jets don't win then Rex loses his job. So if there was any possibility AT ALL that Tebow could have done ANYTHING at the QB position, Rex wouldn't have had Tebow protecting punters. Or jumped McElroy over him in the depth chart. Rex is a professional coach. He doesn't let personal feelings get in the way of winning. Tebow was given a choice by John Elway when he was traded. Both the Jets and the Jags were interested and their offers were about the same. So Elway asked Tebow where he wanted to go. Tebow chose the higher visibility of NY and probably remaining a backup over backwater Jacksonville where he was a hometown hero and would have doubtlessly started to help sell tickets. Nobody screwed over Tebow but Tebow... Jax is the only possible landing spot (outside of the CFL) for Tebow once NY cuts him. It's a badly run franchise, so depending on them to surround Tebow with talent (and the PROPER talent to match his skill set) as well as providing a good coaching staff is a bit unrealistic...
I don't think anybody is discrediting Tebow for his role in Denver last year. You Tebow lovers overrate his impact with the Broncos. I credit the defense for the majority of their success last year. They held the opponent long enough for Tebow to come in at the end of the game and do what he did. If it wasn't for the defense, those last minute drives would have been irrelevant.
Lol @ you discussing my reasoning skills. He who lacks the ability to comprehend what he has read. There is a difference between a wrong prediction, and a lack of reasoning skills.
Excellent post, Dennis. You refuted that inane nonsense point by point. My only disagreement is that the Broncos could have actually received a slightly better deal from Jacksonville, but the Broncos accomodated Tebow's request to go to New York. Of course, Tebow repaid their courtesy by initially lying about being given a choice of destinations because he preferred to let the Broncos incur the wrath from his idiot fans.
Sure but making stupid "predictions" repeatedly that are supposedly based on reasoning can be an indicator that you lack good reasoning skills.
Do not blame Tebow for Sanchez being a bad QB with below average talent around him. Sanchez has never been a good QB, the only year where he was somewhat reasonbly decent was 2010. Ehh, two of those four games were against the patriots, Tebow just played like shit against Buffalo and KC. The read option wasnt any mystery for teams to figure out. It isnt like it was a new offense. 1-4 at the end had more to do with Tebows poor play and running into the pats twice. If there was some magical thing that was figured out the Steelers would have beat Tebow as well. Rex was commited to Sanchez because he picked Sanchez and Rex is retardly commited to his players. A team doesnt have to change players to start Tebow, and clearly Tebow didnt destroy Denver's offense for years to come. I disagree. He probably cares about his religon and reputation first, playing QB second. I dont think he is worrying about his "brand" If he really cared about himself as a marketable athlete he would be begging to play other positions. Sitting on the Bench doesnt help his value, and he would be hugely marketable as a guy who plays some QB some RB, special teams, etc. His wanting to play QB may push him out of the league, which again is bad for branding. I think he just grew up always wanting to be a QB and he wont accept anything else at this point. You could play Tebow on a number of bad teams, limit him to 10 throws a game or so and he would be better than what they had this year. Im thinking us, jacksonville, KC, etc would have been better off. That says more about the QBs in the league than Tebow. The problem with a team actually building around Tebow is why bother? He is still a project at this point and If you really want to run read option college football is producing guys like rg3, cam, kaepernick and wilson who can run as well as Tebow and throw the ball better too. I think if Tebow can get better throwing the ball he could be a damn good QB. If not he would be a decent special teamer, or as you suggest maybe he would be off to he CFL.
Well said DirtySanchez, I personally don't believe that a team would need to tailor an offense to him other than some empty backfield formations. I have seen him do well in both under center and in the shotgun formations.
Clearly, you don't understand the meaning of the word "stupid". Incorrect, perhaps, stupid, no. Throwing the word stupid around in that manner suggests a bit of insecurity and/or immaturity, but I'll let you fight those demons. I've mentioned it several times before that I was really just making a dismissive comment to the Broncos fans on here... such as, "Whatever (annoying thing they just said)... the Broncos aren't going to make the playoffs anyways." But, since what has been said cannot be unsaid, I went along with it and took the lumps. I didn't really think they would miss the playoffs. But I was right about several things this year... - Sanchez will turn into Kyle Orton, the remix (by Puff Daddy); - The Jets will not make the playoffs; - Bringing in Tebow for the wildcat makes no sense; - The Jets really had no secret wildcat offense they were waiting to unleash; - Rex Ryan is a terrible head football coach. Among many others.
I'll disagree with you about Tebow having any impact on Sanchez. I think this season was always going to happen to him. The guy looks like he has regressed every year since his rookie year. It's been four years now. Can you honestly point at anything he does better than he did his rookie year? Four season, four years of starting. The guy just looks horrible. I don't know whether his head has been royally screwed up or what, but I just don't think Tebow had anything to do with what happened to Sanchez this season. You could make a case for Sparano being the one that messed him up, or Ryan. But not Tebow. If Tebow hadn't been on the roster the footsteps would have come from McElroy or Henson or even someone else. I kind of think Sanchez will never make it in the league, but any chance he does have depends on him going to another team that has effective coaching. Andy Dalton does OK in Cincy with similar physical abilities. If Sanchez had a year to unwind on the bench somewhere maybe he could come back. But if he is in New York next year with this staff, I expect more "Butt Fumbles," and other inexplicable turnovers. Then the fork can well and truly be stuck in him.
Certainly, you can't compare Tebow to a bonafide NFL starting QBs like Sanchez or McElroy, who could possibly compare to those Yes, I think he will be a starter.
Almost as funny as my new sig... But I doubt lightning will strike twice. No way he brings Jacksonville to the post season... IF that is even where he ends up. Starting to wonder about that based on what some Jags fans are saying.
I'm not a QB coach but I think Tebow's physique isn't suited for a QB. I look around the NFL and not too many QB's are as muscular as Tebow. People have been complaining about Tebow's throwing motion and I think it's a result of having too much muscle on his arm. When you have so much meat on your throwing arm you can't make a quick throw by moving you arm close to you body and throwing. You have to wind up further from your body and it's easier for defenders to read the pass. Like I said I'm not a QB coach but I've thrown tons of footballs and if I had an inch or two more on my arm I can see it affecting my throwing motion. Tebow added 20-30 lbs of muscle in the off season and I could see that causing his throw to become worse. Think of a body builder with all that muscle trying to throw a ball. Thats what I think of when I see Tebow throw. Should he lose some muscle if he's to become a pure QB?
