The Revis is the key. Trading him, if possible, makes the most sense. It would hurt to see a probable HOF if he keeps his pace going gone, but it would benefit us greatly. Some draft picks, a whole lot of cap space, and play defense like most of the teams in the league, inside out (DL to CB) not outside in (CB to DL) The way Cro is playing could make this possible. Yes our #2 corner would be average, but that problem could be fixed with a good LB draft pick or Coples producing more. Wilkerson already looks like a stud and we need Ellis to get healthy. Edit: It sounds like we are dying by 1000s of papercuts and not by a bullet to head the way you described our cap scenario.
Probably worth exploring, but the question becomes what can we get for Revis? He'll want a new contract from whomever trades for him, and he's coming off an ACL injury so they'll take that into account. Hurts our cap this year (about 3 million more) and I can't see getting more than a mid-late first and a conditional. Not sure that's really worth it, I think the time you consider trading Revis is after 2013.
Well if I remember Revis' contract gets a huge hit next year. So wouldn't the best time before that happens. I'm trying to remember the details and blanking. A mid 1st might be worth it considering some holes we might have. Keller and Greene are FA after this season I believe? Our RT and G positions could us improving, most likely we are clearing out LB too. And both Safeties are on one year contracts. That leaves Keller, both safeties, and Greene as holes to fill. We could probably let Greene walk, but can we sign the rest of the 3? If not, those leave noticeabl holes not including the LB we let walk. The mid first round, if used correctly, could be beneficial. The thing is, I don't trust this FO to correctly use extra picks.
http://www.nyjetscap.com/darrellerevis.html looks like 9 mil in 2013, 6 in 2014, 3mil extra dead money either year if cut.
Ahh so he does take a big hit and we want to resign him before that. So that would be this summer. Even if we get a mid 1st rounder, I think it's worth it for the 3 million cap hit. We have seen that corner is an important in this day and age, but not a high impact position. If we can get rid of Revis and that contract and get a pass rusher in the middle of the first (we would have two of these, the one we received and our own) the impact from that player could be greater than Revis at a better value. Who knows. I would hate to see Revis go, but a mid 1st for him could be 100% worth it in the long run. We lose a HOF player at one of the least impactful positions in the league today. While Revis changes our defense dramatically I bet, I also think Rex or whoever could make do with our new,your DL and an impact LB alongside Harris. Maybe I'm wrong and our defense will drop dramatically, btu the way Cro is playing, I think he can play well enough if the pass rush improves
You are seriously confused about Spikes pick. 1. If the secondary was the issue, Jets could have drafted safeties as well. (Which they didn't do.) 2. Then why did I even bother bringing up Brandon Spikes? That's precisely because he could have contributed a lot more than that tepid sack of shit called Vladimir Ducasse. (I wasn't implying Jets should have drafted Spikes with 1st round pick.)
Revis cannot be traded after 2013 because he is an unrestricted free agent in 2014. The only realistic opportunity the Jets will have to make a trade for Revis is in the off-season between 2012 and 2013. Once the 2013 season begins if Revis is not under contract moving forward from there he's going to want to test the free market in 2014. He won't be agreeing to a deal with anybody the Jets might trade him too at that point unless the deal is top of market and he likes the new location. No team is going to make a deal for Darrelle Revis in-season in 2013 in which they both have to pay him top of market and also need to give up real value to acquire him. If the Jets decide that Revis is going to get traded they have to do it early next off-season and he will be very hard to trade before teams have seen him play post-knee. I think the two scenarios most likely to occur are the Jets biting on a huge deal next off-season or Revis going unrestricted free agent after 2013. Remember that the 2014 and later numbers only occur if Revis holds out between now and the end of 2013. Those years void if he does not.
I almost think being in a worse cap situation this offseason is going to help the team in the long run. Gives them an excuse not to overpay guys like Keller & Greene how they did Harris.
I'm not arguing that Wilson was a good pick or that Spikes wouldn't have helped more then Ducasse. The reason I brought up Spikes was in reaction to your point that you shouldn't draft sub package players in the first four rounds. I was just using Spikes as an example of a guy who is more of a base defense player, a big run-stuffing NT would also suffice. All I'm saying is that players like that aren't necessarily more valuable then a slot corner or a pass-rush specialist. We both agree the Jets blew the 2010 draft and that is certainly hurting them now. None of what I'm saying should be interpreted as any kind of defense for the way they handled that.
Truth.... Something's gotta give somewhere. Man I wish there was someone in the equation with some vision about how you build a consistent winner.
Not sure if this has already been posted, but if you haven't read it you should check it out. http://nyjetscap.com/2012_Articles/capproblems.html The good news is that there's no reason Tannenbaum should still be around after this year.
Good article for anyone who hasnt seen it. Get rid of Homes and Sanchez. Gotta think about cro too given the cap.
2013 Cap # According to Cimini Clarifying the '13 cap situation November, 27, 2012 Nov 27 7:11 PM ET By Rich Cimini | ESPNNewYork.com Recommend5 Tweet5 Comments130 Email Print For some reason, the story of the Jets' cap situation for 2013 has gained momentum in recent days, fueling the perception that the team is headed for salary-cap hell. While it's true that the Jets are projected to be about $20 million over the cap in '13, it's important to understand the full scope of the situation. They can get under the cap in a heartbeat. If they cut LB Bart Scott, OLB Calvin Pace and OT Jason Smith, they will clear nearly $28 million. Smith has an inflated cap number because of a $12 million roster bonus, which, of course, he never will see. So these stories have been blown out of proportion. The problem with the Jets' cap is they have a lot of money tied up in only a few players. In fact, they have seven players with a combined cap total of about $80 million. That means about $45 million for the other 46 players. Here are the Jets' big seven, all of whom are expected to be back in 2013: LB David Harris -- $13 million QB Mark Sanchez -- $12.9 million WR Santonio Holmes -- $12.5 million CB Antonio Cromartie -- $10.8 million LT D'Brickashaw Ferguson -- $10.7 million C Nick Mangold -- $9.1 million CB Darrelle Revis -- $9 million
After next season some of these big contracts need to go, namely Sanchez and Holmes (if he's not gone after this year). I also can't see the Jets keeping both Cromartie and Revis forever. Crazy amounts tied up in the CB position. Harris' deal seems to go down a lot after next season as well.
You forgot the sad face. Still we are definitely going to be clearing a lot of dead weight. I think Brandon Moore will be gone as well. I think Greene is a FA. Good chance he is gone.
d. harris will probably restructure as well as some others. if revis gets a new deal it will have a cap friendly # for 2013. not worried about the cap. i am worried about the talent they use it on
