Sanchez Late Game Turnovers

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  1. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

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    I have to laugh that some here seem to think Sanchez is a clutch player. He's the opposite of clutch. He fails late in games for mental reasons. That is not clutch. If you can't see taht I don't know what game you were watching, or what player you have been watching for his increasingly ugly career.
     
  2. ajax

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    Just made up numbers to satisfy your own logic. How about it lowered the chance of FG by 50% but it only lowered the chance for TD by 10%? For both arguments the numbers are heavily biased by personal belief. The FG went from a gimmie to very challenging & either way Brady was gonna have enough time to mount a comeback. Also, with some situational awareness he shouldn't be so far back behind the line to begin with.
     
  3. JetsKickAss

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    Really ? You want to exclude the 1st 2 years of his career ?

    Name a better clutch QB with 5 or less years of experience...come on, we're all waiting.
     
  4. FOURTHANDLONG

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    I believe Big Ben and Brady won the chip in their second seasons and We will not even mention Joe Montana and the catch that started it all in season 3.
    The Best Defense in Football, Offensive Line, Special teams and Running game in Football hid that bum Sanchez for the first two years. They all look good when they have 90 degree and sunny days. Sanchez is a BUM!!!! PERIOD END OF STORY!!!!
     
  5. 94Abraham

    94Abraham Well-Known Member

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    Dont be such a homer. Did you totally forget about the tipped ball to Kerley that should of been intercepted or the numerous balls he threw at the receivers toes and they had to fall down to catch instead of being able to get some YAC? Sanchez wasnt the problem but he is definitely a problem.
     
  6. MURDR

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    The reason Sanchez has lots of 4th quarter/OT comebacks is because he sucks for the first three quarters of play so that the Jets are a;ways behind in the 4th.
     
  7. cval

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    I must have missed those lets see 28-41 328 yds. For those of you that don't want to do the math that is 68% completion percentage.

    You can't have it both ways numerous balls are kidding me did you watch the game? Sanchez could have been 40-41 and you would be on here bitching and complaining how bad he was because the guy was open on the missed pass.

    There were only two really bad play mark can be criticized about in this game. One is the INT but the criticism from most of you is misplaced. Mark did a great job looking off the safety and pump faking but by the time he got back to hill he was not open. The mistake was not underthrowing the ball (his feet where not set after the pump fake to make that throw) the mistake was throwing the ball in the first place he should have thrown it away. There was not time to hit the check down either. This mistake was not a costly mistake he pinned back the Pats and gave the Jets another chance later in the game.

    The second mistake was the fumble in OT. Did it cost the Jets the game maybe but doubtful a sack there pretty much ended the drive but with the Patriots less than stellar secondary there would have least been a chance. That mistake did not lose the game for the Jets but it did prevent another chance. (He needs to be smarter than that)
     
  8. catfish

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    so your preference is to give Tom Brady 2-3 more pass attempts from the 25 yard line over having a kicker try at 42 yarder vs a 31 yarder? The odds of hitting a 31 yarder are about 95%, odds of hitting a 42 yarder are about 78% historically. What do you think the chances of NE scoring a TD from 25 yards out if they had 40 seconds on the clock instead of 5 seconds. Question the decision all you want, but the FG was made, they cost NE a timeout and hence his decision was the right one
     
  9. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    You already said you don't watch the games so how would you even know?
     
  10. jerseyjay14

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    exactly, you cant have it both ways. Sanchez is averaging 53% completions(last in the NFL) and 206 yards per game(27th in the NFL). So if you are going to say he was good yestarday because those are the stats that matter, then you also have to say he has been among the worst in the league on season.

    he shouldnt have throw it away, he should have checked it down to greene, who has no one within 20 yards of him, and who was waving his arms begging for the ball, with sanchez having forever to find him.

    1) he had PLENTY of time. watch the play again. it takes sanchez NINE seconds before he throws the ball NINE! and at least 4 seconds after the pump fake. he had forever

    2) the turnover was huge, it cost us 3 points, at least.
    we would have had 2 downs to get 18 yards. tough situation, but at least gives us a chance where as a fumble ends the game. and ending the game is clearly not a good option
     
  11. Apple Jack

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    Good post. Agree with all of it. Ultimately this is a failure by the CS and FO in not recognizing Sanchez for what he is and giving him the help he needs. There's very few QBs who can carry a team on his back. The others need very good talent around him. Texans/SF as examples.
     
  12. MURDR

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    Herp derp, I watch them online.
     
  13. 94Abraham

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    If you put Brady at QB for the Jets, you probably see a 35/36 of 41 game. Neither QB can help drops but there is still quite a few throws he makes that make you scratch your head. The placement of his passes leaves a lot to be desired too. Like I said about Brady, do you notice that Brady almost always leads his receiver and gives his receiver a chance to run after the catch? Go rewatch the game and see how many balls Sanchez throws at the receivers ankles. Some of the throws he needed to place them there but others he completely gave the receiver no chance to run after the catch. That is another big con with Sanchez.

    The INT was still totally on Sanchez. He did a great job of looking off the safety and then just threw a duck. A ball with more zip on it and its an easy TD. You are the only person ive seen to even say otherwise. That duck looked like I was watching a Chad Pennington deep ball again. Just a horrible throw.

    No one play cost the Jets the game but if Sanchez was an above average QB/elite, Jets win yesterday. Yesterday is just another example of inconsistent QB play with other mental and physical errors that continue to hurt this team. Even with everything else though, an elite QB covers up a lot of holes and this team just cant ever seem to get one.

    You also forgot the fumbled handoff that he never clearly gave to Greene. Granted, Slauson is not very good and the defender was in there but no contact was made on either player before the handoff and Sanchez clearly fumbled it right off Greenes chest. How often do you see these kind of things happen with the better QBs in the league? Rarely ever…
     
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  14. Br4d

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    @94Abraham

    Hating is one thing, but suggesting that Brady would do better with the Jet's WR's/TE's than he did with his own is laughable.

    Think about it.
     
  15. ouchy

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    Sanchez has always had footwork problems in the pocket before his throws. But I used to think avoiding the rush and running was one of his strengths. This season he is clearly the worst at reacting to pressure and finding a way out of a collapsing pocket and avoiding pass rushes. When the pocket collapses Mark is awful. And to be honest he is getting better pass protection them most QBs in the league so far.
     
  16. 94Abraham

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    It has nothing to do with hate. You put a better QB on this team, the Jets win yesterday. You really think brady misses the TD pass, fumbles the handoff, and then fumbles to seal the game? Think about that...
     
  17. Br4d

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    You said Brady would go 35/36 for 41 with the Jets WR's/TE's.

    That's what you said. That's an absurd comment to make.

    Like I said, hating is one thing, but at least be reasonable about the hate. Putting Brady up as a straw man and suggesting that he'd make Hill/Schilens into Brandon Lloyd or Kerley into Welker or Cumberland into Hernandez is just silly.
     
  18. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    OK, so Sanchez isn't Tom Brady. Thanks for the news flash.
     
  19. cval

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    Sanchez fumbled on that play because he was trying to throw it away and save the sack. He should have just taken the sack.
     
  20. jerseyjay14

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    i dont think its silly at all. brady puts the ball on the numbers. our players would look much better with 90% of the passes being on target instead of like 50%
     

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