Player Value In The Trade Market

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  1. Bellows1

    Bellows1 Well-Known Member

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    If you're gonna rebuild, everyone is on the table... Revis, Mangold, Sanchez everyone.
     
  2. NYJets82

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    Tebow - 5th
    Holmes - 4th
    Keller - 5th
    Harris - 4th
    Pouha - nothing
    Cromartie - 3rd or 4th
    Kyle Wilson - 6th or 7th
     
  3. Jeti

    Jeti Well-Known Member

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    Mangold, Revis and Ferguson go now where

    Hill, Kerley, Wilkerson, Coples, Davis, Conner, Powell, McKnight, Ellis, Ducasse, Howard will go no where either

    everyone else is a ?
     
  4. soh_vet

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    Revis - 1st Rd. That's it (no 2 1sts or 1st & 3rd). He'll command a huge contract regardless of injury and a fool of a team will pay it (probably the jets). I'd trade him in a heartbeat. CB's are simply not as valuable as Pass Rushers (or QB's). He may take out one man, but he can't cover the other 3 or 4 that's beating everyone else when the QB has a minute to throw because our line/LB's can't touch him.
     
  5. vedmedv

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    Sanchez can easily be traded for 10 pair of 100% cotton athletic socks.
     
  6. jilozzo

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    geez looking at the above players makes me think the ny mets have more to offer on the market. thats scary.
     
  7. Jeti

    Jeti Well-Known Member

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    ever since Revis went out this team has fell apart
     
  8. Bellows1

    Bellows1 Well-Known Member

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    If it is a rebuild, that's 2-3 years, Mangold will be an old man get value for him now.
    The others are fairly good and cheap, they stay. Revis is too much money.
     
  9. Jeti

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    you get a new QB and who better to put at C than Mangold and who better to protect his blindside than Brick
     
  10. Bellows1

    Bellows1 Well-Known Member

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    Fair point.
     
  11. Banjo

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    After Tebow drags us kicking and screaming to the playoffs, he'll be worth a first round pick at least
     
  12. championjets69

    championjets69 2008/2009 TGG Darksider Award Winner

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    for a LBer he has speed slower then molasses JMHO :sad:
     
  13. TXJet

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    Top 10 slowest LB's in the game?? I agree!!
     
  14. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    In a rebuild mode these are the Jets that have core value to the team:

    Offense

    QB - Sanchez, McElroy

    Sanchez is still only 26 and you use him to develop everybody else on the offense. He gives you 2 years to fix everything else and then you give the new QB a coherent set of tools to work with instead of the mix-and-match Sanchez got.

    Handing a young QB a coherent plan and letting him sit and watch somebody else run it for a year is the best way to go. In rebuild mode this is Sanchez's value to the team.

    McElroy can hold the clipboard and give the Jets a backup QB who has some familiarity with the system and personnel in case the main guy goes down.

    RB - Nobody

    Greene will be an old man by the end of the rebuild and he's not that good now. Powell is not that good. McKnight is not that good. Connor is a fullback, which in today's NFL is the equivalent of a tail on a human being. We're not swinging through the trees any more.

    WR - Kerley, Hill

    Kerley is the most solid piece the Jets have on offense moving through a rebuild right now. He's young, he's a good slot receiver, he'll be entering his early prime when the rebuild is over in 2014/2015.

    Hill may work out or he may not. He was the 2nd round pick this year and the Jets need to honor that and give him the benefit of the doubt during the rebuild process. If he's just not working out he's a cut during the rebuild a year or two down the road.

    TE - Cumberland

    He's just 25 at this point and could well be a decent #2 TE in the next offense.

    LT - Nobody

    D'Brick is 28 now. He'll be over 30 when the rebuild is done and LT's do not maintain their value well after 30. LT requires strength, quickness and reflexes and something usually goes as they get older. Truth be told he's just a good LT now, not a great one.

    LG - Nobody

    Unless somehow miraculously Ducasse turns into a passable LG which is unlikely.

    C - Mangold

    Centers and interior linemen play longer than the outside guys. It's not unusual for an inside guy to maintain value out to 32 or 33 and playing to 35 or 36 happens now and then.

    RG - Nobody

    Unless somehow miraculously Ducasse turns into a passable RG which is slightly more likely than LG.

    RT - Nobody

    Austin Howard is 25. If he turns out to be good pencil him in above. Right now he's only better than Wayne Hunter in my book.

    Defense

    DL - Wilkerson, Coples, Ellis

    Everybody else is too old to matter in a rebuild. The young guys are going to be the heart of the next Jets window if it gets open because they have more talent than anybody else on the team. Think Klecko/Gastineau/Lyons/Salaam. That was the heart of the early 80's rebuild.

    LB - Davis, McIntyre

    Everybody else is too old or untalented to matter much in the next window. If David Harris can maintain his level of play into his early to mid 30's he might fit but really he's more likely to be declining just as the next window opens up, like Lewis and Jones in the early 00's.

    CB - Revis

    Everybody else is either too old or not talented enough to matter much in the next window. CB's can play forever if they are good. Only three positions regularly get out to mid 30's with gas left in the tank: QB, WR and CB. They're all in the same axis of play and they tend to take less contact than anybody else.

    S - Nobody

    At S I'd love to project the young guys the Jets drafted as having capability to help the next rebuild but they are all late picks and likely to be gone by then. I'd really like to project Kyle Wilson here but that's a pipe-dream for a lot of different reasons.

    As I see the Jets right now they have about a dozen players that might matter at all during the rebuilding process and when it is complete. That would give them about a 75-80% roster turnover during that process. That turnover is consistent with the turnover during the Parcells/Bradway transition and again during the Bradway/Tannenbaum switchover.

    We might get lucky and see somebody like D'Brick or Cromartie prove out after 30 and keep playing at a fairly high level but that would be luck. We might get unlucky and have one or two players of the dozen suffer career-ending injuries. Things likely will balance out in that regard.

    Throwing Sanchez away right now would be bad though. If nothing else he can bridge to the young guy drafted to replace him so that guy doesn't get thrown straight into the fire also.
     
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  15. Ozymandias

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    Tebow - we could probably get a 4th or a 5th for him.
    Holmes - see above unless someone is really desperate for a receiver.
    Keller - a 2nd or a 3rd.
    Harris - a 2nd rd pick, possibly a 1st.
    Pouha - 3rd or 4th
    Cromartie - if a team is very desperate for a DB I think we could get a 2nd
    Wilson - anywhere from a 5-7 rd pick.
     
  16. Aewhistory

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    Wow, there are some really depressing fan valuations of our talent here. To be honest, I think most of these players could bring in something, but their value is highly based on scenario. For instance, if the Jets eat a goodly part of Holmes's salary then I think he nets us a decent pick, perhaps as high as 3rd if we got very lucky or a desperate team. OTOH, if we are expecting to dump salary (I don't think we can with Holmes, but just saying) then I think he brings much less and even nothing.
     

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