Can we now say that Sparano's "Man Blocking" Scheme Just Doesn't Work For This Team?

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  1. dr.velociraptor

    dr.velociraptor Tired of BS

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    Cotchery, Holmes, Ladanian Tomlinson, Keller, they just used their 2nd pick on Hill, Braylon Edwards, Plaxico, he's had weapons he simply stinks.

    Typically the QB makes the receiver and the QB helps the WR break out, look at the Giants as an example.
     
  2. Jeti

    Jeti Well-Known Member

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    Ducasse looks good in this scheme, Brick and Mangold is fine, Howards been good and Moore/Slauson are serviceable but should be upgraded, we need maulers at G in the man to man to help the run, Brick should be the only finesse blocker

    We need to over haul this entire team though, take a 2 to 3 year process and get as many picks as possible and start the fuck over
     
  3. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

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    He was the Assitant Head Coach, not the OC. The job duties of an OC are not limited to play calling, btw. And even then he was not calling all the plays.

    This very thread is not about playcalling. It is about installing a man blocking scheme. Try to keep up.
     
  4. Milliner is your Mommy

    Milliner is your Mommy Well-Known Member

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    We got rid of Cotchery. LT is a RB who we got rid of and now have no RBs who can catch. Keller being hurt has really hurt Mark. Hill hasn't really panned out yet but I think he will be good. Braylon is gone. Plax sucked outside of the RZ.

    It would have been a lot better if we got some WRs in the draft early. I think Hill and Kerley will be good but we should have built an offense around our number 5 draft pick which we clearly haven't done.
     
  5. dr.velociraptor

    dr.velociraptor Tired of BS

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    My point is Sanchez still sucked with a great o-line, top running game, and weapons at WR and out of the backfield to check down, he was statistically one of the worst QB's in the league. Now that the defense is garbage, and the running game non-existent Sanchez's terrible play is all the more prevalent.
     
  6. Milliner is your Mommy

    Milliner is your Mommy Well-Known Member

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    Sanchez as a second year QB in 2010 played infinitely better than his rookie season. Since then every other part of the offense has gone down hill.
     
  7. Jtuds

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    This is a good post.

    The thing is, any coordinator in the league can scheme up a run game or at least should be able to. If the Jets have to move to a zone scheme, Sparano can install it. It will be a matter of the players executing it, and I think this is where we let players off the hook too often and blame coaches.

    Ever since Faneca left, Mangold and Brick have been less effective in the run game. With Thomas Jones we used more of a man blocking scheme under Schotty and then when LT showed up it was a mix of man and zone. I used to think Mangold wa sa mauler but he's not. Him and Brick played off Faneca. And we all know Ferguson is an average run blocker as it is. Manned up on a DE or DT all game really exposes him.

    Ground and Pound football is more inclined to use man blocking because the theory is that you beat down the D until they have nothign left then you dominate the second half. The problem is we lack the personnel to do that and it's been the D who is beating up our O-line.

    With how sloppy the O has been, a zone system, which relies heavily on crisp timing, isn't that likely to be successful unless the line can really get it together. It would also mean more Powell and less Greene, because Greene is slow.

    I think the 2012 run game will be hit or miss. The coaching staff and front office really need to get on the same page and decide what personnel we need to run what system then put a team together accordingly. Changing your run game is a lot like changing from 3-4 to 4-3. You don't just do it because you want to...the pieces have to be assembled.

    Right, the Jets should have got Calvin Johnson, Andre Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald to help out Sanchez. Are you kidding me? He had Holmes, Edwards, Burress, and Keller and now he has Hill. Look what RG# id dealign with right now (Moss, Garcon, Hankerson) or Luck (Wayne...?? Anyone else) or Bradford (Gibson, Amendola). So what the hell are you talking about?

    No, the ground and pound requires a RB to run to the hole, that's what Greene does. The holes aren't there because our line can't open them because they are not built for this scheme. Zone runs require vision because the RB follows blocks and runs to open space.
     
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  8. Wahoo

    Wahoo Well-Known Member

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    Sir, I think you have succinctly laid out the current state of the New York Jets
     
  9. dr.velociraptor

    dr.velociraptor Tired of BS

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    Infinitely better?

    2009:
    comp % - 53.8
    avg - 6.71
    rat - 63
    yards - 2,444
    td - 12
    int - 20

    2010
    comp % - 54.8
    avg - 6.49
    rating - 75.3
    yards - 3,291
    td - 17
    int - 13

    He was better but "infinitely better"???? We have a different definition of the word infinitely. Bottom line is he still sucked with a great O-line, great running game. In fact his stats this year are right in line with his career averages.
     
  10. Milliner is your Mommy

    Milliner is your Mommy Well-Known Member

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    Yes infinitely better. He turned the ball over less and played much better. Stats don't show the entire story but even the ones you showed tell a lot. 33% increase in passing yards. 7 less picks. 5 more Tds. The difference between the 2 years was pretty drastic if you know what you are looking at.
     
  11. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

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    Infinitely is not a synonym for much.
     
  12. ToddtoBarkum

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    Very good post!!

    I believe that Rex touched on this in his press conference after the game and on Monday when he discussed about wanting to have time alone with the coaches to evaluate what they (the coaches) were trying to accomplish. He said in so many words that each coach needed to detemine if what they were trying to do was best suited to the players abilities. In other words, were they putitng the players in the best position to succeed.

    BTW, and directly to your point, can anyone honestly say that we have run more than a handful of plays off tackle this season. Even the wildcat has been where Tebow has run between the tackles. Tebow's one run this season for 22 yards was right behind D'Brick. In years past the off tackle run is where Shone Greene's has had the most success. Any highlight clips of Shonne Greene has been him running off tackle. The three that immediately come to mind were all in the playoffs. His TD runs against the Bengals, Chargers and the Patriots - all were off tackle.

    What you mention above should be applied to the passing game as well.

    Obviously, our WR's and TE's, wiht hte exception of Holmes, can not beat press coverage. When teams have played zone Sanchez has been effective because the WR's don't have to work off of the DB's, they just find a hole in the zone and sit down. Of course this requires a split second more of pass protection.

    IMO, the way to combat the WR"s deficiencies it to have WR's in motion at the snap and run crossing patterns that allow for the unintentional pick. TE's should be standing up in the slot or in the back field - or - have the TE's in motion at the snap so they can chip down on the defensive lineman.

    I'd have to believe we will be seeing a new "style of thinking" when it comes to how our offense will be run in the coming weeks.
     
  13. Milliner is your Mommy

    Milliner is your Mommy Well-Known Member

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    Ok then much better. Sorry grammar police I didn't know you would all take the word infinite so literally. I didn't mean that he threw an amount of touchdowns that can't be counted.
     
  14. jet12

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    tanny should be checking all teams practice squads..asap
     

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